[NAFEX] Late leafing kiwi/no excuses

Mike Levine mlevine at umich.edu
Mon Apr 7 11:49:11 EDT 2003


Thanks everyone for their input.  I believe I have enough info for a
decision now.
O.K.  it's my fault.  I ordered them wholesale and I specified the date to
be shipped.  I admit I should have known better, but I didn't.  I'm
realizing now why I've never had much success with kiwis here.  I think I
realize now why this happened.  I usually order bare root stock, but all
they had were small potted plants this year.  I didn't "switch gears" in
time to realize they would need different care and a later ship date.  I
guess I'll order more and learn from my mistakes.  Fortunately it was only a
$25 mistake!

However, my next question is:  Are there varieties of kiwis that leaf out
later?  Or that have more frost resistant foliage.  Are there breeding
programs to try to achieve these goals?   Also, how's the fruit and vigor of
those vines?  I planted MSU thinking it would be adapted somewhat to my
climate.  I guess they don't have problems with late frosts over in E.
Lansing like we do here in Ann Arbor :)    Late frosts are the norm here.
Comments on your favorites with precocious vines, good flavor, high yield,
or vigor would be appreciated too.


Mike Levine
Ann Arbor, MI
Zone 5b
4 inches of snow on the ground and more freezing rain expected today.  Low
23 last night.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
To: <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] properly hardened off plants


> I wouldn't put this on the sender. They could have been put in a garage or
> the house for the cold nights.
>   If the plants arrive alive they are your responsibility. No excuses.
>
> Gordon C. Nofs
> Flint, MI. Z 5
> **************************************
> From: list at ginda.us
> Reply-To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> To: Mike Levine <crunchy at oldweb.com>,North American Fruit Explorers
> <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] properly hardened off plants
> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 23:37:00 -0400
>
> You are in Michigan, in zone 5, and it's barely April.  A reputable
retail
> company shouldn't be sending you tender green vines until late  April, or
> May, unless you specifically requested it.  If they mostly do  wholesale,
> they might be used to shipping to growers with greenhouses.   If this was
a
> regular retail operation, I would ask them for a refund  or replacement.
> I've now bought hundreds of plants, (okay, that  includes bulbs, but
dozens
> of orders) and have only once asked for a  replacement - the plant was
> mislabelled.    So I am not one to rush for  a refund.  But this really
> sounds like their fault.
>
> Ginda Fisher
>
> On Sunday, April 6, 2003, at 11:07  PM, Mike Levine wrote:
>
> >We have frequent late frosts here too.  Can you or anyone else suggest
> >which
> >varieties are the latest to leaf out?  I'm determined to grow some  kiwis
> >here.
> >
> >Mike Levine
> >Ann Arbor, MI
> >Zone 5b
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dan Sorensen" <dan.phantom at westpa.net>
> >To: "Mike Levine" <crunchy at oldweb.com>; "North American Fruit  Explorers"
> ><nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:18 PM
> >Subject: Re: [NAFEX] properly hardened off plants
> >
> >
> >>OK then, if they are exposed to anything below 32 degrees it won't
matter
> >>if they're hardened off or not.  Kiwi foliage, especially new growth,
> >>will
> >>freeze below that temperature.  I've found that that's the major
problem
> >>for me with hardy kiwi.  Virtually every year we get frost two or  three
> >>times after the buds break and it always means the vines have to  start
> >>all
> >>over again.  I haven't seen any secondary buds with blossoms like
> >>grapes.  That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I just haven't seen it
> >>yet.  Once they get big enough, the upper branches can sometimes
protect
> >>the foliage underneath so I usually get a small crop, but I find it
very
> >>frustrating year after year.
> >>
> >>Sorry for your loss.  I know how it feels.
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> >>At 08:11 PM 4/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >>
> >>>They were leafed out, but as I said I had them up against the house
and
> >>>under the overhang, which I believe should give them a few more
degrees.
> >>>
> >>>Mike Levine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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