[nafex] Digest Number 1016

Pete Benfield pete at cmpsource.com
Wed Feb 27 20:01:12 EST 2002


Hi  NAFEX
Last spring I made about a dozen grafts using a bag of 1/4" x 3 1/2"rubber
bands I cut. You can buy a bag of about a zillion for a couple bucks at
Office Depot. I used more than one band on a few of the grafts. They took
fine. I also used paraffilm over the whole thing.
El Cheapo Pete in 8b, SE La.
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There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Red Fleshed Apples
           From: Bob and Winnie <natvwine at cut.net>
      2. Re: new planting areas
           From: "del stubbs" <pinewoodel at hotmail.com>
      3. Re: pear rootstock sources?
           From: "del stubbs" <pinewoodel at hotmail.com>
      4. Re: potential pear rootstock
           From: "Dean Kreutzer" <deankreutzer at hotmail.com>
      5. craetagus/crataegus
           From: "del stubbs" <pinewoodel at hotmail.com>
      6. Re: craetagus/crataegus
           From: Don Yellman <dyellman at earthlink.net>
      7. RE: craetagus/crataegus
           From: Tom Volkening <volkenin at mail.lib.msu.edu>
      8. Grafting supplies
           From: "wigalje" <kr8z at citynet.net>
      9. Re: Grafting supplies
           From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
     10. Re: Grafting supplies
           From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
     11. Info update Farewells
           From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:11:31 -0700
   From: Bob and Winnie <natvwine at cut.net>
Subject: Red Fleshed Apples

Ed,

I have almost all of the red flesh apples mentioned so far except for
Geneva and Red Giant. Might you (or someone else) sell me some
scionweed?
Feel free to reply off list.

Very cold in Utah,
Bob Sorenson Z4



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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:38:40 +0000
   From: "del stubbs" <pinewoodel at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: new planting areas




>From: "John Van Hazinga" <vanhaz at gsinet.net>
>Another area is the "yard" where the timber was gathered which is  about 30
>by 100 feet with  well  mixed woods soil which is due to be graded and gets
>about four hours midday sun and filtered after that.

John, the lower light situation interests me as I have many meadow areas
like that. Could be mistaken - but I remember in a discussion cancerning a
similar situation - the recommendation of prunus and evans cherry in
particular. Also elderberry.
Warmest winter here in N. Minnesota as well, Del Z2/3

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Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:53:02 +0000
   From: "del stubbs" <pinewoodel at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: pear rootstock sources?




>From: "Dean Kreutzer" <deankreutzer at hotmail.com>
I am planning
>on doing some breeding to create a dwarfing, very cold hardy pear
>rootstock.
>   I am working with P. ussuriensis, P. betulafolia, P. pyrifolia and for
>dwarfing I am including Amelanchier alnifolia, and I would like to include
>the best of the O.H. x farmingdale seedlings.

Dean, three cheers to your project! Being new to this subject,  what little
I have read om it seems to put craetagus ahead of amelanchier for
compatability and longetivity. I'd be curious to hear more, I hope to graft
O.H.xF onto wild versions of both this spring. Del z2/3




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Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:26:43 -0600
   From: "Dean Kreutzer" <deankreutzer at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: potential pear rootstock

Hi Del,

The idea of using Amelanchier comes from the studies that were done in
Oregon, and were published in Temperate Zone Pomology by Westwood.  (Lon,
please correct any inaccuracies here).  I cannot recall how many different
scion cultivars were used, but I believe one of them was Comice.  The data
showed that Amelanchier had one of the highest yield and dwarfing of any
rootstock.

Also, Wayne Fuhr in Edmonton has been using Amelanchier for pear rootstocks
for a number of years now, and has had quite a bit of success with them.  It
is my intention to spring bud 50 cultivars on the Amelanchier alnifolia
'Honeywood' rootstock, which has very low suckering, and see what happens.
I'm interested in the compatibility issue, as I may find that certain
cultivars may or may not be compatible.

There also has been some interspecific hybrids of Amelanchier x Pyrus bred
in the 80's in Edmonton which I hope to receive some scions to trial.  From
what I understand, the fruit was very interesting, but not really worthwhile
besides raising your eyebrow.

I visited Brian Smith, breeder at the University of Wisconsin, and his work
on stone fruits is mostly with interspecific breeding.  He is attempting to
breed into apricots a later bloom characteristic by using late blooming
plums for a breeding parent, for example.  He is trying to bring out the
best of both types of fruit in his seedlings.  Possibly that is what needs
to be done here, attempt to combine the best characteristics of pear with
other compatible fruit.

I am going to breed strickly Pyrus in one line, and the Amelanchier X Pyrus
in another line.  I've got to give it a try.

Dean

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Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:47:23 +0000
   From: "del stubbs" <pinewoodel at hotmail.com>
Subject: craetagus/crataegus

Hmmm, In my last post I spelled 'craetagus' for wild hawthorn -- a few
minutes later I started reading an 1895 botany manual I was just given and
saw 'crataegus'. I typed both into internet search engines and found both.
Can anyone calrify? Here are examples if needed,
"craetagus"<http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/sholto.html>
"crataegus"<http://www.bonsaiweb.com/care/faq/crataegus.html>

Thanks for the pear root experiment clarification Dean. It encourages me to
do more with amelanchier. Del








Del Stubbs

ag zone 2/3

Pinewood Forge


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Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:00:49 -0500
   From: Don Yellman <dyellman at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: craetagus/crataegus

del stubbs wrote:

>Hmmm, In my last post I spelled 'craetagus' for wild hawthorn -- a few
>minutes later I started reading an 1895 botany manual I was just given and
>saw 'crataegus'. I typed both into internet search engines and found both.
>Can anyone calrify? Here are examples if needed,
>"craetagus"<http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/sholto.html>
>"crataegus"<http://www.bonsaiweb.com/care/faq/crataegus.html>
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>Thanks for the pear root experiment clarification Dean. It encourages me to
>do more with amelanchier. Del
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Del:

My vote goes for no. 2, crataegus. That's what Michael Dirr thinks in
his recent book "Hardy Trees and Shrubs". Misspellings do creep into the
language from time to time, and occasionally become accepted and part of
the permanent structure. The internet is not helping this situation
much, although it is encouraging people to write more.

Stay Warm, Don Yellman, Great Falls, VA




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Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:22:12 -0500
   From: Tom Volkening <volkenin at mail.lib.msu.edu>
Subject: RE: craetagus/crataegus

I checked a number of agriculture databases and Crataegus is used most often
in the scientific literature although I did find a very small number of
articles that used Craetagus or Cratagus(probably mispellings).

Tom Volkening
Engineering Library
1515 Engineering Building
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824-1226
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Email:    volkenin at msu.edu
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Subject: Re: [nafex] craetagus/crataegus


del stubbs wrote:

>Hmmm, In my last post I spelled 'craetagus' for wild hawthorn -- a few
>minutes later I started reading an 1895 botany manual I was just given and
>saw 'crataegus'. I typed both into internet search engines and found both.
>Can anyone calrify? Here are examples if needed,
>"craetagus"<http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainability/plants/sholto.html>
>"crataegus"<http://www.bonsaiweb.com/care/faq/crataegus.html>
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>Thanks for the pear root experiment clarification Dean. It encourages me to

>do more with amelanchier. Del
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Del:

My vote goes for no. 2, crataegus. That's what Michael Dirr thinks in
his recent book "Hardy Trees and Shrubs". Misspellings do creep into the
language from time to time, and occasionally become accepted and part of
the permanent structure. The internet is not helping this situation
much, although it is encouraging people to write more.

Stay Warm, Don Yellman, Great Falls, VA







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Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:02:53 -0000
   From: "wigalje" <kr8z at citynet.net>
Subject: Grafting supplies

Greetings fellow Nafexers,
Now that Bear Creek is gone, can someone give me directions to a
supplier of grafting rubbers and Doc Farwell's Grafting Seal.
Dropped my jug off the ladder last spring. Thanks,

Jack Wigal
Washington, WV
Zone 6



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Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:47:56 -0500
   From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Grafting supplies

Jack
  I forgot to give you:  www.mellingers.com
Or e-mail  mellgarden at aol.com

Gordon
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directions to a
supplier of grafting rubbers and Doc Farwell's Grafting Seal.
Dropped my jug off the ladder last spring. Thanks,

Jack Wigal
Washington, WV
Zone 6



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Message: 10
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:46:01 -0500
   From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Grafting supplies

Jack

Doc's grafting seal.

Steri-Seal of WA., Inc.
P.O. Box 3347
Wenatchee, WA.  98801
   I could find Phone number if you want.

Grafting rubbers and good catalog:
  Mellinger's in Lima OH.
1-800-321-7444
order # 838 8x3/8x.020 pound = 450 apx $17.50
4 oz= $5.95

    Gordon C. Nofs   Flint, MI.
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Subject: [nafex] Grafting supplies
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:02:53 -0000

Greetings fellow Nafexers,
Now that Bear Creek is gone, can someone give me directions to a
supplier of grafting rubbers and Doc Farwell's Grafting Seal.
Dropped my jug off the ladder last spring. Thanks,

Jack Wigal
Washington, WV
Zone 6



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Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:29:50 -0500
   From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
Subject: Info update Farewells


Farewell Products Inc
P.O. Box 3347
Wenatchi, WA  98807

1-509-662-8348

www.pollencontrol.com/farewell.htm


Gordon C. Nofs
Flint, MI.


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