[nafex] Surround and Deer/Rabbits

Ed & Pat Fackler rocmdw at aye.net
Wed Jul 25 17:23:09 EDT 2001


John:

     I assume that it also actually grows 100 dollar bills on all plants!!!

Ed, So. Indiana, heaven, luvin' it, etc

john.mosko at engelhard.com wrote:

> Anecdotally, we are hearing that deer and rabbits clearly bypass
> Surround-treated plants as long as the coating is on.  But after a heavy
> rain you'd have to re-apply right away.  I believe deer are colorblind so
> we suspect the deer are fooled by the earthy taste and texture and rejects
> the plant thinking that it's a rock or soil material.  Not sure if it would
> work in times of scarce food supply.
>
> John
>
> Ginda Fisher <ginda at concentric.net> on 07/24/2001 09:15:59 PM
>
> Please respond to nafex at yahoogroups.com
>
> To:   nafex at yahoogroups.com
> cc:
> Subject:  Re: [nafex] Ginda's Surround questions
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> I'd love to plant more trees!!  Alas, I barely have room for the one
> tree (which is a baby, so very small).  I haven't had much trouble with
> japanese beetles on the raspberries - and saw none before the fruit
> formed, and have had no problem bugs on the currants, blueberries,
> strawberries, peas and tomatoes.  (Nor the meyer lemon, nor the
> flowers)  Does surround discourage bunnies?  Rodents (bunnies,
> squirrels, chipmunks, and deer) are my major pest.  Heat stress is not a
> problem when you live in Massachusetts and have trouble providing more
> than 8-10 hours of full sun in the best spots.  So I reckon a 5 pound
> bag of Surround would be good for 5-10 years.  (Maybe less if the grafts
> on my crabs take off.  But the crab parts of the crab apples are
> terrifically healthy, and I don't see any point in spraying them.  Now
> maybe my neighbor's crab, which is covered with scab, could use some
> well-timed fungicide. . .)
>
> If I can find someone to share with, I'll buy from Fedco, but otherwise,
> GardensAlive will make a few bucks off of me.
>
> Ginda
>
> john.mosko at engelhard.com wrote:
> >
> > Plant some more trees!  It's almost as easy to manage a handful of trees
> as
> > it is to manage one!
> >
> > 25 lbs of Surround makes 50 to 100 gallons of spray. You'll be applying 4
> > to 8 times a season depending on how you use it.   A large tree can use a
> > gallon per spray but my Bud and M-9's take about a pint per spray or less
> -
> > less later in the season as the film becomes established and  I only need
> > to touch them up.  The product has indefinite shelf life as long as it
> > doesn't get wet.  Surround has other uses and is also labeled for
> cucumber
> > beetles, flea beetles, Japanese beetles, and many others.
> >
> > Surround also offers heat stress and sunburn relief if you are in a hot
> > area.  It allows usable light through but reflects infrared light.
> > Overspray on the ground reflects more light back up to the plant too.
> >
> > Any good quality one or two gallon hand held sprayer will do.  Back pack
> > sprayers are ok too.  Follow the mixing order of addition on the label.
> > Shake occasionally while applying in any case.  I save the leftover for
> up
> > to two weeks in a cool place (after that it might spoil if there are no
> > fungicides in the tank-mix).  Just invert the sprayer and blow all the
> air
> > out.  Next time just pump up, shake, and spray.  A good practice with any
> > sprays is to occasionally empty the tank completely, rinse the tank, blow
> a
> > bit of clean water out the nozzle, then allow the pump to dry in the sun
> to
> > discourage any kind of microbe buildup.
> >
> > John Mosko
> >
> > Ginda Fisher <ginda at concentric.net> on 07/23/2001 10:17:03 PM
> >
> > Please respond to nafex at yahoogroups.com
> >
> > To:   nafex at yahoogroups.com
> > cc:
> > Subject:  Re: [nafex] Surround WP availability
> >
> > I have one apple tree and one grape vine.  I'm thinking of using
> > surround on them next year, but that's about all that's worth spraying.
> > How far does a 25 pound bag go?  How about a 5 pound bag?
> >
> > Even if Garden's Alive is charging 3 times as much, if one 5 pound bag
> > will keep me in Surround for a couple of years, it will be cheaper for
> > me than a 25 pound bag from someone else.  I really don't want a 20 year
> > supply, because it will probably turn into plaster of paris or spill all
> > over the car upholstery, or something like that before it's used up.
> >
> > Also, can anyone recommend a cheap sprayer suitable to use with surround
> > for a couple of plants?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ginda
> >
> > john.mosko at engelhard.com wrote:
> > >
> > > The following sell ag-labeled product in 25 lbs bags:
> > >
> > > Seven Springs Farm -  VA offers convenient mail order for small growers
> > > www.7springsfarm.com
> > >
> > > Fedco -  ME offers convenient mail order for small growers
> > > www.fedcoseeds.com
> > >
> > > Peaceful Valley Farm Supply, Inc. - CA  also offers mail order
> > > www.groworganic.com
> > >
> > > Many UAP retail locations in the Northeast and Great Lakes areas carry
> it
> > > www.uap.com/distribution-frames.html   -- will get you to their
> location
> > > map.
> > >
> > > Most dealers in WA, OR, and CA carry it.
> > >
> > > Many Fertrell dealers carry it.  www.fertrell.com   You can ask for the
> > > nearest dealer locations.
> > >
> > > Home Use Label in 5, 10, and 25 lb bags
> > > Garden's Alive! mail order catalogue offers the only gardening-label
> > > product - www.gardensalive.com
> > >
> > >
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