[nafex] Ginda's Surround questions

Ginda Fisher ginda at concentric.net
Tue Jul 24 21:15:59 EDT 2001

Thanks everyone.

I'd love to plant more trees!!  Alas, I barely have room for the one
tree (which is a baby, so very small).  I haven't had much trouble with
japanese beetles on the raspberries - and saw none before the fruit
formed, and have had no problem bugs on the currants, blueberries,
strawberries, peas and tomatoes.  (Nor the meyer lemon, nor the
flowers)  Does surround discourage bunnies?  Rodents (bunnies,
squirrels, chipmunks, and deer) are my major pest.  Heat stress is not a
problem when you live in Massachusetts and have trouble providing more
than 8-10 hours of full sun in the best spots.  So I reckon a 5 pound
bag of Surround would be good for 5-10 years.  (Maybe less if the grafts
on my crabs take off.  But the crab parts of the crab apples are
terrifically healthy, and I don't see any point in spraying them.  Now
maybe my neighbor's crab, which is covered with scab, could use some
well-timed fungicide. . .)  

If I can find someone to share with, I'll buy from Fedco, but otherwise,
GardensAlive will make a few bucks off of me.


john.mosko at engelhard.com wrote:
> Plant some more trees!  It's almost as easy to manage a handful of trees as
> it is to manage one!
> 25 lbs of Surround makes 50 to 100 gallons of spray. You'll be applying 4
> to 8 times a season depending on how you use it.   A large tree can use a
> gallon per spray but my Bud and M-9's take about a pint per spray or less -
> less later in the season as the film becomes established and  I only need
> to touch them up.  The product has indefinite shelf life as long as it
> doesn't get wet.  Surround has other uses and is also labeled for cucumber
> beetles, flea beetles, Japanese beetles, and many others.
> Surround also offers heat stress and sunburn relief if you are in a hot
> area.  It allows usable light through but reflects infrared light.
> Overspray on the ground reflects more light back up to the plant too.
> Any good quality one or two gallon hand held sprayer will do.  Back pack
> sprayers are ok too.  Follow the mixing order of addition on the label.
> Shake occasionally while applying in any case.  I save the leftover for up
> to two weeks in a cool place (after that it might spoil if there are no
> fungicides in the tank-mix).  Just invert the sprayer and blow all the air
> out.  Next time just pump up, shake, and spray.  A good practice with any
> sprays is to occasionally empty the tank completely, rinse the tank, blow a
> bit of clean water out the nozzle, then allow the pump to dry in the sun to
> discourage any kind of microbe buildup.
> John Mosko
> Ginda Fisher <ginda at concentric.net> on 07/23/2001 10:17:03 PM
> Please respond to nafex at yahoogroups.com
> To:   nafex at yahoogroups.com
> cc:
> Subject:  Re: [nafex] Surround WP availability
> I have one apple tree and one grape vine.  I'm thinking of using
> surround on them next year, but that's about all that's worth spraying.
> How far does a 25 pound bag go?  How about a 5 pound bag?
> Even if Garden's Alive is charging 3 times as much, if one 5 pound bag
> will keep me in Surround for a couple of years, it will be cheaper for
> me than a 25 pound bag from someone else.  I really don't want a 20 year
> supply, because it will probably turn into plaster of paris or spill all
> over the car upholstery, or something like that before it's used up.
> Also, can anyone recommend a cheap sprayer suitable to use with surround
> for a couple of plants?
> Thanks,
> Ginda
> john.mosko at engelhard.com wrote:
> >
> > The following sell ag-labeled product in 25 lbs bags:
> >
> > Seven Springs Farm -  VA offers convenient mail order for small growers
> > www.7springsfarm.com
> >
> > Fedco -  ME offers convenient mail order for small growers
> > www.fedcoseeds.com
> >
> > Peaceful Valley Farm Supply, Inc. - CA  also offers mail order
> > www.groworganic.com
> >
> > Many UAP retail locations in the Northeast and Great Lakes areas carry it
> > www.uap.com/distribution-frames.html   -- will get you to their location
> > map.
> >
> > Most dealers in WA, OR, and CA carry it.
> >
> > Many Fertrell dealers carry it.  www.fertrell.com   You can ask for the
> > nearest dealer locations.
> >
> > Home Use Label in 5, 10, and 25 lb bags
> > Garden's Alive! mail order catalogue offers the only gardening-label
> > product - www.gardensalive.com
> >
> >
> >
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