[nafex] Re: (unknown berry)
mauch1 at aol.com
Fri Sep 22 10:26:25 EDT 2000
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If the canes turn a purplish red over the winter, I'd say it sounds
like black raspberry. I know that here in SE PA, with possibly the
exception of wineberry (a Japanese import that this is definitely
not) black raspberry is the most abundant wild growing berry.
-Not sure about the thorniness issue though I'd say black raspberry
is inbetween "wide flared" and "little prickly"
-Caplike fruit going from green to red to black
-Arching canes (do the root where they touch the ground? A typical
pattern of black raspberry, but I've also seen that in trailing
blackberries as well)
-Hard, numerous seeds
-The fruiting doesn't seem typical of black raspberries as they
usually have a fairly short season.
SE PA, zone 6
--- In nafex at egroups.com, edforest55 at h... wrote:
> Can anyone help this fella, he wants to identify a plant he has.
> fruit seems to have characteristics of both:
> Blackberry or Raspberry?
> There are wild plants growing in my garden, and I'm not sure if
> are blackberries or black raspberries. From the information that I
> gathered, blackberries have wide, sturdy, and flared thorns on the
> canes, while raspberries have little prickly thorns all over the
> canes. The thorns on my canes are wide, sturdy, and flared.
> However, I was also told that raspberries have cap-like fruit, and
> when picked, the stems stay on the plant, while with blackberries,
> the stems often come off during the harvest. My berries are not
> cap-like, but their stems do stay on the plant, and the top part of
> the fruit is hollow.
> Now for more of a description of the plants themselves; the deep
> green leaves grow in sets of five, with 4 leaves coming almost
> directly off the red cane (thus having very little stems). These
> leaves grow at a 45 degree angle to the direction of the stem,
> pointing in 4 opposite directions. The fifth leaf has a more
> pronounced stem, so it sticks out from the cane, and grows parallel
> to the cane. It is also usually the largest leaf in the cluster.
> They grow to be about 5 or 6 feet long, arching over themselves
> reaching about 3 feet.
> It is September 21, and the plants are still fruiting in
> PA (zone 5), although nowhere near as heavily as they were two
> ago. The flowers are white, with yellow centers, in late May,
> July, and even some in early August (bees love them). Then berries
> are green, which matures into red, which darkens until they are a
> deep shiny black. There are still red berries on the canes now.
> Ripe and especially over-ripe berries leave a purple stain on
> anything they touch. The seeds are very numerous, and are also
> hard. The berries normally are 3/4 of an inch to an inch in
> and are about 3/4 of an inch thick at the thickest part, which is
> just slightly below the stem end of the berry.
> Any help in identifting this plants would be greatly appreciated.
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