From andrea.m.davis at gmail.com Wed May 4 23:56:38 2016 From: andrea.m.davis at gmail.com (andrea davis-cetina) Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 20:56:38 -0700 Subject: [Market-farming] Looking for advice on eating well during the growing season???? Message-ID: So of course things are getting pretty busy at the farm and like every year I'm noticing I'm not eating too well. I come home from the field and I'm starving cause I didn't take anything with me but coffee and water. Then I just grab whatever is ready to eat i.e. chips, ice cream, plain chocolate chips, stale pizza etc. I know I need to plan ahead especially because I had to move my farm this year and my field is now a 40 minute drive from my house. Any advice on how to eat healthy nutritious food during the crazy busy growing season when you work from sun up to sun down and you're too tried to do much cooking in the kitchen? Thanks in advance for any suggestions or sage wisdom, Andrea Quarter Acre Farm Suisun Valley, CA - where they are calling for thunderstorms -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From NanHildreth at riseup.net Thu May 5 01:38:13 2016 From: NanHildreth at riseup.net (Nan Hildreth) Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 00:38:13 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Looking for advice on eating well during the growing season???? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <572ADC45.9040000@riseup.net> ?How about nibbling the leaves in your garden as you garden? I don't, but I could get in the habit. On 5/4/2016 10:56 PM, andrea davis-cetina wrote: > So of course things are getting pretty busy at the farm and like every > year I'm noticing I'm not eating too well. > I come home from the field and I'm starving cause I didn't take > anything with me but coffee and water. Then I just grab whatever is > ready to eat i.e. chips, ice cream, plain chocolate chips, stale pizza > etc. > I know I need to plan ahead especially because I had to move my farm > this year and my field is now a 40 minute drive from my house. > > Any advice on how to eat healthy nutritious food during the crazy busy > growing season when you work from sun up to sun down and you're too > tried to do much cooking in the kitchen? > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions or sage wisdom, > Andrea > > Quarter Acre Farm > Suisun Valley, CA - where they are calling for thunderstorms > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Thu May 5 09:24:58 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 09:24:58 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Looking for advice on eating well during the growing season???? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70EE3A3B-836B-400D-AB59-3F40ED5EA56F@frontiernet.net> On May 4, 2016, at 11:56 PM, andrea davis-cetina wrote: > So of course things are getting pretty busy at the farm and like every year I'm noticing I'm not eating too well. > I come home from the field and I'm starving cause I didn't take anything with me but coffee and water. Then I just grab whatever is ready to eat i.e. chips, ice cream, plain chocolate chips, stale pizza etc. > I know I need to plan ahead especially because I had to move my farm this year and my field is now a 40 minute drive from my house. > > Any advice on how to eat healthy nutritious food during the crazy busy growing season when you work from sun up to sun down and you're too tried to do much cooking in the kitchen? > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions or sage wisdom, > Andrea > > Quarter Acre Farm > Suisun Valley, CA - where they are calling for thunderstorms This particular bit of advice is too late for this year; but one thing I do is cook extra during the winter and put some of it in the freezer to take out and eat when it's busier. Microwave is great for last minute thawing though I don't do much of anything else with it. In season, again, I'll cook extra when I get a chance and then just eat the leftovers for a few days, especially if there's a rainy day or one scheduled mostly for starting more transplants or something of the sort during which I can check on the stove fairly often. If you can't stand leftovers immediately the next day, toss them in the freezer to take out when you're not sick of them again yet. But I'm lucky, I like leftovers just fine. Also, I sometimes take nuts or trail mix or granola or something of the sort out into the field with me. And I try to have some of those and some fruit sitting out on the table, so that's what I see when I first come into the house. (I don't dare buy chips very often.) If you eat dairy, sharp cheese with dates or figs and whole grain crackers is a good really fast thing to take the edge off, and can also come out in the field with you -- hard cheeses don't need refrigeration in most weather if it's only a few hours, or you could take an icepack in a freezer bag if you don't want them to turn into melted cheese on really hot days. -- it occurs to me that the last time I was out on the West Coast good sharp cheese wasn't available; everything even fancy cheese shops said was sharp was too mild to give the tang that goes best with sweet dried fruit. But that was 1979 and things may well have changed; plus which your tastes may well be different from mine. And like Nan suggested, I'll often graze in the fields, if I'm working with something that's at an edible stage. Sometimes that's the edible weeds -- I get a lot of purslane and amaranth and lambsquarters. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think; and currently wet with almost no dry in the 7 day forecast Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Thu May 5 10:47:42 2016 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 10:47:42 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Looking for advice on eating well during the growing season???? In-Reply-To: <70EE3A3B-836B-400D-AB59-3F40ED5EA56F@frontiernet.net> References: <70EE3A3B-836B-400D-AB59-3F40ED5EA56F@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: As others have said. And just don't have chips/etc around. Stock up on nuts. Make tabouli (add the tomatoes when dishing up). And I eat a LOT of peppers once they turn red, just standing in the field. Will munch on kale, broccoli leaves, etc. Look up the bok choy/ramen noodle salad recipes - the "slaw" keeps well for almost a week, just keep the crispies separate and add when filling your dish. And stir fries - seems like almost anything can go in a stir fry. Helps to cook up rice for the week to augment the stir fry - just toss in to heat at the end. Breakfast tends to be granola with yogurt or salad. Lunch nuts, dates, banana or apple, or a smoothie. The George Foreman grills are really handy. Put cheese and greens between two tortillas and have a toasted cheese sandwich, which you can roll up and take out the door. My challenge is liquid - water, kefir, lemonade, turmeric/ginger tea, scrub WIth a little time, put potato/sweet potato into nuke. Start frying onions. When potato slightly soft, slice and toss into onions. When ready add egg. Can also add bits of pepper, tomato, greens, whatever. We call it "shipwreck" or "glop". On 5/5/2016 9:24 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: > > On May 4, 2016, at 11:56 PM, andrea davis-cetina wrote: > >> So of course things are getting pretty busy at the farm and like >> every year I'm noticing I'm not eating too well. >> I come home from the field and I'm starving cause I didn't take >> anything with me but coffee and water. Then I just grab whatever is >> ready to eat i.e. chips, ice cream, plain chocolate chips, stale >> pizza etc. >> I know I need to plan ahead especially because I had to move my farm >> this year and my field is now a 40 minute drive from my house. >> >> Any advice on how to eat healthy nutritious food during the crazy >> busy growing season when you work from sun up to sun down and you're >> too tried to do much cooking in the kitchen? >> >> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or sage wisdom, >> Andrea >> >> Quarter Acre Farm >> Suisun Valley, CA - where they are calling for thunderstorms > > This particular bit of advice is too late for this year; but one thing > I do is cook extra during the winter and put some of it in the freezer > to take out and eat when it's busier. Microwave is great for last > minute thawing though I don't do much of anything else with it. > > In season, again, I'll cook extra when I get a chance and then just > eat the leftovers for a few days, especially if there's a rainy day or > one scheduled mostly for starting more transplants or something of the > sort during which I can check on the stove fairly often. If you can't > stand leftovers immediately the next day, toss them in the freezer to > take out when you're not sick of them again yet. But I'm lucky, I like > leftovers just fine. > > Also, I sometimes take nuts or trail mix or granola or something of > the sort out into the field with me. And I try to have some of those > and some fruit sitting out on the table, so that's what I see when I > first come into the house. (I don't dare buy chips very often.) If you > eat dairy, sharp cheese with dates or figs and whole grain crackers is > a good really fast thing to take the edge off, and can also come out > in the field with you -- hard cheeses don't need refrigeration in most > weather if it's only a few hours, or you could take an icepack in a > freezer bag if you don't want them to turn into melted cheese on > really hot days. -- it occurs to me that the last time I was out on > the West Coast good sharp cheese wasn't available; everything even > fancy cheese shops said was sharp was too mild to give the tang that > goes best with sweet dried fruit. But that was 1979 and things may > well have changed; plus which your tastes may well be different from mine. > > And like Nan suggested, I'll often graze in the fields, if I'm working > with something that's at an edible stage. Sometimes that's the edible > weeds -- I get a lot of purslane and amaranth and lambsquarters. > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think; and currently wet with > almost no dry in the 7 day forecast > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From farmerwantabe at hotmail.com Thu May 5 11:10:19 2016 From: farmerwantabe at hotmail.com (Flying S Farms) Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 15:10:19 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] Looking for advice on eating well during the growing season???? In-Reply-To: References: <70EE3A3B-836B-400D-AB59-3F40ED5EA56F@frontiernet.net>, Message-ID: I enjoy pea protein shakes with a little extra fiber added. Sometimes add fruit or kefir for the liquid. Keeps my energy up. Catherine Simmons Sent from iPhone Hanging on by the seeds of our plants! www.bakingfarmer.com On May 5, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Beth Spaugh > wrote: As others have said. And just don't have chips/etc around. Stock up on nuts. Make tabouli (add the tomatoes when dishing up). And I eat a LOT of peppers once they turn red, just standing in the field. Will munch on kale, broccoli leaves, etc. Look up the bok choy/ramen noodle salad recipes - the "slaw" keeps well for almost a week, just keep the crispies separate and add when filling your dish. And stir fries - seems like almost anything can go in a stir fry. Helps to cook up rice for the week to augment the stir fry - just toss in to heat at the end. Breakfast tends to be granola with yogurt or salad. Lunch nuts, dates, banana or apple, or a smoothie. The George Foreman grills are really handy. Put cheese and greens between two tortillas and have a toasted cheese sandwich, which you can roll up and take out the door. My challenge is liquid - water, kefir, lemonade, turmeric/ginger tea, scrub WIth a little time, put potato/sweet potato into nuke. Start frying onions. When potato slightly soft, slice and toss into onions. When ready add egg. Can also add bits of pepper, tomato, greens, whatever. We call it "shipwreck" or "glop". On 5/5/2016 9:24 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: On May 4, 2016, at 11:56 PM, andrea davis-cetina wrote: So of course things are getting pretty busy at the farm and like every year I'm noticing I'm not eating too well. I come home from the field and I'm starving cause I didn't take anything with me but coffee and water. Then I just grab whatever is ready to eat i.e. chips, ice cream, plain chocolate chips, stale pizza etc. I know I need to plan ahead especially because I had to move my farm this year and my field is now a 40 minute drive from my house. Any advice on how to eat healthy nutritious food during the crazy busy growing season when you work from sun up to sun down and you're too tried to do much cooking in the kitchen? Thanks in advance for any suggestions or sage wisdom, Andrea Quarter Acre Farm Suisun Valley, CA - where they are calling for thunderstorms This particular bit of advice is too late for this year; but one thing I do is cook extra during the winter and put some of it in the freezer to take out and eat when it's busier. Microwave is great for last minute thawing though I don't do much of anything else with it. In season, again, I'll cook extra when I get a chance and then just eat the leftovers for a few days, especially if there's a rainy day or one scheduled mostly for starting more transplants or something of the sort during which I can check on the stove fairly often. If you can't stand leftovers immediately the next day, toss them in the freezer to take out when you're not sick of them again yet. But I'm lucky, I like leftovers just fine. Also, I sometimes take nuts or trail mix or granola or something of the sort out into the field with me. And I try to have some of those and some fruit sitting out on the table, so that's what I see when I first come into the house. (I don't dare buy chips very often.) If you eat dairy, sharp cheese with dates or figs and whole grain crackers is a good really fast thing to take the edge off, and can also come out in the field with you -- hard cheeses don't need refrigeration in most weather if it's only a few hours, or you could take an icepack in a freezer bag if you don't want them to turn into melted cheese on really hot days. -- it occurs to me that the last time I was out on the West Coast good sharp cheese wasn't available; everything even fancy cheese shops said was sharp was too mild to give the tang that goes best with sweet dried fruit. But that was 1979 and things may well have changed; plus which your tastes may well be different from mine. And like Nan suggested, I'll often graze in the fields, if I'm working with something that's at an edible stage. Sometimes that's the edible weeds -- I get a lot of purslane and amaranth and lambsquarters. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think; and currently wet with almost no dry in the 7 day forecast Fresh-market organic produce, small scale _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. 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From organic87 at frontiernet.net Fri May 20 20:47:49 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 20:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> References: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> Message-ID: <9E8065AD-16D7-41D8-A9E6-00AE5F2EA9EE@frontiernet.net> On May 20, 2016, at 8:43 PM, jpike at gloryroad.net wrote: > HELP I've planted untreated corn in my clay soil and crows have dug up > the seeds or pulled the sprouts each time. how can I foil them organically > ? Row cover over the area, maybe? Don't know, haven't tried it for that purpose. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rstewart at zoomtown.com Fri May 20 20:50:31 2016 From: rstewart at zoomtown.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 20:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> References: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> Message-ID: <318F66EB-30B9-4D8D-B78A-86FBEBC9C0AF@zoomtown.com> Plant more. Lead shot is organic. Richard Stewart Carriage House Farm 513.967.1106 Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2016, at 8:43 PM, jpike at gloryroad.net wrote: HELP I've planted untreated corn in my clay soil and crows have dug up the seeds or pulled the sprouts each time. how can I foil them organically ? _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming From kenbez at hotmail.com Fri May 20 20:50:34 2016 From: kenbez at hotmail.com (Ken Bezilla) Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 20:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: <9E8065AD-16D7-41D8-A9E6-00AE5F2EA9EE@frontiernet.net> References: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net>, <9E8065AD-16D7-41D8-A9E6-00AE5F2EA9EE@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: How big an area? Ken central VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kakerby at aol.com Fri May 20 21:16:13 2016 From: kakerby at aol.com (Kathryn Kerby) Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 18:16:13 -0700 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: References: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net>, <9E8065AD-16D7-41D8-A9E6-00AE5F2EA9EE@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <0b6101d1b2fe$5f0622d0$1d126870$@aol.com> Any chance the field is fenced, and are you a dog lover (or know a dog lover)? Some dogs really enjoy chasing off crows, and they'll work sunup to sundown for a bowl of kibble. They'd kick up the soil some, but not do nearly as much damage as the crows. Kathryn Kerby Frogchorusfarm.com Snohomish, WA From: Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ken Bezilla Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 5:51 PM To: Market Farming Subject: Re: [Market-farming] crows How big an area? Ken central VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrea.m.davis at gmail.com Fri May 20 22:58:08 2016 From: andrea.m.davis at gmail.com (andrea davis-cetina) Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 19:58:08 -0700 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: References: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> <9E8065AD-16D7-41D8-A9E6-00AE5F2EA9EE@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: I have trouble with quail in regards to my corn planting. I have had good success using flash tape (the shiny red and silver steamers). I tie the flash tape between two stakes about 6-12" inches above the ground. I randomly put these in 6 to 20 foot sections right above the corn. When the flash tape is tied between two stakes it makes a buzzing noise in the wind and the shiny colors is suppose to signal fire to the birds. I periodically move them randomly around the field to keep the birds guessing After the corn has grown big enough that birds are no longer a threat, I remove the flash tape from the field because the birds are smart and will figure it out if it stays out there long enough. Good luck, Andrea Quarter Acre Farm Sonoma, CA where its so windy that even with weights my market tent tried to fly away today On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Ken Bezilla wrote: > How big an area? > > Ken > central VA > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davepays at gmail.com Sat May 21 05:58:30 2016 From: davepays at gmail.com (David Paysnick) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 05:58:30 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> References: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> Message-ID: <08FBA4A3-F13E-40BE-978B-8631DC62664C@gmail.com> I've used a combination of scare eye balloons and old CDs successfully > On May 20, 2016, at 8:43 PM, jpike at gloryroad.net wrote: > > HELP I've planted untreated corn in my clay soil and crows have dug up > the seeds or pulled the sprouts each time. how can I foil them organically > ? > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming From jpike at gloryroad.net Sat May 21 07:12:45 2016 From: jpike at gloryroad.net (jpike at gloryroad.net) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 07:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: <9E8065AD-16D7-41D8-A9E6-00AE5F2EA9EE@frontiernet.net> References: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> <9E8065AD-16D7-41D8-A9E6-00AE5F2EA9EE@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4718.70.208.142.121.1463829165.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> > 1000 feet ! > > On May 20, 2016, at 8:43 PM, jpike at gloryroad.net wrote: > >> HELP I've planted untreated corn in my clay soil and crows have dug up >> the seeds or pulled the sprouts each time. how can I foil them >> organically >> ? > > > Row cover over the area, maybe? > > Don't know, haven't tried it for that purpose. > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming From jpike at gloryroad.net Sat May 21 07:44:47 2016 From: jpike at gloryroad.net (jpike at gloryroad.net) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 07:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Market-farming] crows Message-ID: <4719.70.208.142.121.1463831087.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> Thanks to all. I have 4 rows 200 ft. long. I have a crow blind but have to man it sun-up to sundown with no guarantee of a shot. Flashtape and scare balloons sound promising. I was hoping that I could treat seed with some noxious (organic) substance that they would hate but would not hinder germination. e.g. turpentine, mineral oil,etc ??? From rstewart at zoomtown.com Sat May 21 08:55:24 2016 From: rstewart at zoomtown.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 08:55:24 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: <4719.70.208.142.121.1463831087.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> References: <4719.70.208.142.121.1463831087.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> Message-ID: Our neighbor that does about 12 acres of sweet corn uses a propane cannon that swivels and is on a time. It goes off about every 3 to 7 minutes. I know a couple vineyards that use them as well. Richard Stewart Carriage House Farm North Bend, Ohio An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855 A Chefs? Collaborative Member (513) 967-1106 http://www.carriagehousefarmllc.com rstewart at zoomtown.com You can follow us on: Facebook @ Carriage House Farm Twitter @CarriageHsFm Instagram @carriage_house_farm Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > On May 21, 2016, at 7:44 AM, jpike at gloryroad.net wrote: > > Thanks to all. I have 4 rows 200 ft. long. I have a crow blind but have to > man it sun-up to sundown with no guarantee of a shot. Flashtape and scare > balloons sound promising. I was hoping that I could treat seed with some > noxious (organic) substance that they would hate but would not hinder > germination. e.g. turpentine, mineral oil,etc ??? > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sat May 21 09:29:46 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 09:29:46 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: <4719.70.208.142.121.1463831087.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> References: <4719.70.208.142.121.1463831087.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> Message-ID: On May 21, 2016, at 7:44 AM, jpike at gloryroad.net wrote: > Thanks to all. I have 4 rows 200 ft. long. I have a crow blind but have to > man it sun-up to sundown with no guarantee of a shot. Flashtape and scare > balloons sound promising. I was hoping that I could treat seed with some > noxious (organic) substance that they would hate but would not hinder > germination. e.g. turpentine, mineral oil,etc ??? Not everything derived from naturally occuring sources is acceptable for organic production, if that's what you mean by "organic substance". Mineral oil is considered synthetic; OMRI list says to see narrow range oils, which are restricted. I can't tell whether it would be allowed in this use. I also don't know whether it'll work. Turpentine isn't even on the list and I would presume that's prohibited. I would think you could easily cover 4 rows 200 foot long with row cover, if the flashtape doesn't work. If the soil's cold, you could also cover with clear plastic, removing it once the corn is up enough, by which point it may be up enough to discourage the crows. Do the crows have anything to eat elsewhere? In my experience, how well any repellent works on any species depends on what choices they have to get fed otherwise. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wshoemak at illinois.edu Sat May 21 11:25:59 2016 From: wshoemak at illinois.edu (Shoemaker, William H) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 15:25:59 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> References: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> Message-ID: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359AA15F9@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> An old sweet corn grower told me that crows are very smart. They will overcome most tricks pretty quickly. But they understand what a dead crow means. String one up in the middle of the field and they won't bother your place. No, you don't have to kill one. You can find road-kill crows fairly easy, at least around here. I saw one just a couple of days ago. I tried it and it worked amazingly. Bill William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________________ From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of jpike at gloryroad.net [jpike at gloryroad.net] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:43 PM To: Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [Market-farming] crows HELP I've planted untreated corn in my clay soil and crows have dug up the seeds or pulled the sprouts each time. how can I foil them organically ? _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming From kenbez at hotmail.com Sat May 21 11:36:23 2016 From: kenbez at hotmail.com (Ken Bezilla) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 11:36:23 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: References: <4719.70.208.142.121.1463831087.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net>, Message-ID: -- Put the Bird Scare flash tape in place as soon as the corn's planted -- once birds have the habit of eating something good, they're less likely to be scared off by the flash tape -- On our own farm, we put bird scare flash tape about every 4 or 5 rows, and use scrap rope for the rows in between, having the rope ~12" off the ground -- birds don't like having a rope looming over their heads while they eat, since it makes a fast take-off difficult. -- Years ago, a friend tried out having a crow-shooting scarecrow. He sat on a chair by the corn a few times, fired at the crows with a shotgun to scare them and let them know what he looked like, then he took his (old) clothes that he'd been wearing, used them to make a scarecrow his height and size that sat in the chair with a stick the same size as the shotgun. Seemed to work for him! Ken Bezilla central VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bcluton at aol.com Sat May 21 11:42:37 2016 From: bcluton at aol.com (Brian Luton) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 11:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359AA15F9@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <6108.70.208.140.233.1463791387.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359AA15F9@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: I'd second Bills suggestion. It works for awhile anyway. We used it at a neighbors compost facility with high crow pressure and it put them off it for awhile anyway. Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Shoemaker, William H wrote: > > An old sweet corn grower told me that crows are very smart. They will overcome most tricks pretty quickly. But they understand what a dead crow means. String one up in the middle of the field and they won't bother your place. No, you don't have to kill one. You can find road-kill crows fairly easy, at least around here. I saw one just a couple of days ago. I tried it and it worked amazingly. > > Bill > William H. Shoemaker > Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist > University of Illinois > wshoemak at illinois.edu > > ________________________________________ > From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of jpike at gloryroad.net [jpike at gloryroad.net] > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:43 PM > To: Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [Market-farming] crows > > HELP I've planted untreated corn in my clay soil and crows have dug up > the seeds or pulled the sprouts each time. how can I foil them organically > ? > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming From pam at twinoaks.org Sat May 21 11:54:24 2016 From: pam at twinoaks.org (Pam Twin Oaks) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 11:54:24 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] crows Message-ID: We sow our sweet corn by hand and to keep us planting in straight lines we put up ropes on stakes first. We leave the ropes up for 2 or 3 weeks and that keeps the crows away. Stakes in the ground every 50-90 feet, ropes about 9" above the soil. Works well. Good luck. Pam -- Pam Dawling Author of Sustainable Market Farming, Intensive Vegetable Production on a Few Acres sustainablemarketfarming.com facebook.com/SustainableMarketFarming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpike at gloryroad.net Sat May 21 15:09:56 2016 From: jpike at gloryroad.net (jpike at gloryroad.net) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 15:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Market-farming] crows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4922.70.193.63.153.1463857796.squirrel@mail.gloryroad.net> > We sow our sweet corn by hand and to keep us planting in straight lines we > put up ropes on stakes first. We leave the ropes up for 2 or 3 weeks and > that keeps the crows away. Stakes in the ground every 50-90 feet, ropes > about 9" above the soil. Works well. > Good luck. Pam > > -- > Pam Dawling > > Author of Sustainable Market Farming, Intensive Vegetable Production on a > Few Acres > sustainablemarketfarming.com > facebook.com/SustainableMarketFarming > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password):dfrmkbf d,s/.A AFAK SQENL/AC DO you think visible fishing line would work? > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming/x From ramoyer at gmail.com Sat May 21 15:51:15 2016 From: ramoyer at gmail.com (Richard Moyer) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 15:51:15 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Crows Message-ID: Crows are rarely a problem in our seedling corn, but here are two organic methods of control that've worked for us. ---Shoot, trap, send significant other(s) to pick up roadkill; somehow secure a largely intact dead crow. Hang securely from a tree limb or a pole in the corn patch, with clear sight all around. Kept crows away for two years, from pecking our apples and esp. Asian pears. See internet diagrams for a crow trap. ---Didn't believe this one when we saw it, but we put it in of necessity 2-3 yrs ago to stop corn damage. Put stakes about every 30-50 ft as needed, stretch string or ribbon between them, several feet high. Every 3rd-4th row if pressure is not too bad. Make sure to include edge rows of the planting. Was explained to me that the crows are leery of flying in & out of the strings. Whether coincidence or not, it worked immediately for us. Guy who taught us this, he lives near production corn fields, and he swears by it every year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: