[Market-farming] Heritage wheat, Facebook etc

Marlin Burkholder burkholders at glenecofarm.com
Fri Apr 8 19:19:22 EDT 2016

You have given a lot of information about Facebook security which I had not
thought about.
I have been aware that hard wheats are better for bread flours.  Thanks for
the detailed explanation for this.
In 2014 when Marlin and I trekked across the US, a big cherry and fruit
farmer in the state of Washington said that it doesn¹t pay them to grow
wheat on their irrigated land anymore; as that is left to the dry land
farmers in Montana.
Burkholders in VA

On 4/8/16 6:44 PM, "Carla Shafer" <cs13 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> Wyatt,
> My brother's family lives in the south, and for many years got all of their
> bread flour from a man in Missouri who had an amazing wheat farm operated
> entirely with steam tractors. The variety he grew was Turkey Brown, which is
> one of the original land races brought to the mid-western U.S. by immigrant
> farmers.  It made excellent bread.
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Wyatt Jones <wyatt_jones at netzero.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>> Nice to see this forum active, thought it went the way of the dinosaurs LOL. 
>> I don't like Facebook, I used to work in Internet security and I find that
>> place to be a huge security risk, they change the rules without notice and
>> sell every bit of information they get on you without a second thought.  I
>> think its not much better than a con game.  If people knew what was really
>> going on there they should be appalled but then some people send strangers
>> their nude pictures without thinking of the consequences so I'm not surprised
>> about Internet recklessness.  Still enough people use it and somehow do
>> things that suggest everybody should be compelled to do the same.  A lot of
>> small businesses put up sites there  but I don't know if they realize that to
>> access these commercial sites one usually has to join Facebook and expose
>> ones self to all the risks that produces and many people, myself included
>> don't think its worth it so we have a harder time doing business with those
>> that rely on Facebook for marketing.  Personally I think its better to be
>> safe than sorry but everybody has to make their own judgments. Why does
>> Facebook use these strong-arm tactics?  Because they make money selling you
>> out every way they can and their product is YOUR personal information.
>> Sorry for the rant but I don't think people realize what's going on behind
>> the internet scenes, privacy is non existent, its easy to be taken for a big
>> ride and not even have a clue so please be careful.  Its a great tool but not
>> without more risk than you may realize and the laws have a long way to go to
>> catch up to the issues involved.
>> I posted about heritage wheat a while back.  I've had some concerns about
>> growing Hard Wheats here in Ohio and really didn't get any answers.  From my
>> research I had concerns that the humid weather here wouldn't produce good
>> bread wheat as there is quite a bit of evidence that Hard bread wheats grown
>> in humid environments end up producing low gluten wheat similar to soft wheat
>> that makes decent cake flour but not so great bread flour.  Anyway I know
>> there are somewhat humid regions like France that grow bread flour but France
>> is known for low protein, including gluten flours although obviously enough
>> to produce decent bread. 
>> So before I made a commitment to growing some heritage wheat I bought several
>> varieties of locally grown hard bread wheat varieties and I have to say I'm
>> pretty disappointed.  They tasted good and made good cake type baked goods
>> but fell flat, figuratively and literally when it came to real bread.  I was
>> able to make a decent looking loaf, light enough with a bit of working and OK
>> table bread (with wild fermentation) but they didn't hold up to sandwich
>> standards, tended to fall apart. They did a lot better when I mixed some
>> Montana grown wheat in which did improve the flavor quite a bit but adding
>> adjuncts or other flour types (beans potatoes, other grains like rye etc)
>>  became problematic.  Now I've used some of these same wheat varieties grown
>> in places like Montana and Kansas and they contained more than enough gluten
>> to make a great sandwich loaf, even with some limited adjuncts, so my only
>> conclusion is that the negative Data concerning growing hard wheats in a
>> humid environment must have merit.  Unfortunately I haven't been able to get
>> any heirloom hard wheat of French or other Humid area origins but even those
>> areas aren't as humid as we are as far as I know.  I went to the OOEFA
>> conference and attended a class that were supposedly about heritage wheat but
>> no mention was given them except when I asked questions, even then I got very
>> little information about them except a few names of locally developed
>> heirloom soft wheat varieties like Logan that I already knew about.  Bottom
>> line is I put that idea on hold for a while but thought I'd post
>> my impressions in case somebody else was considering it. 
>> So my impression at this point, although I've not yet given up, is that
>> growing a good quality hard bread wheat in Ohio is a lot like chasing
>> unicorns only to find out they are Rhinos.  Doesn't mean there isn't good
>> wheat grown here, just not the bread kind.  That said, if anybody has
>> evidence to the contrary I'd be very glad to hear it and eat my words.  
>> For some reason I always seem to be the person asking questions nobody has
>> the answer to, Oh well.  Not sure if that means I'm in the front or out to
>> lunch LOL.  I guess I'm one of those "outside the box" people but it keeps
>> life interesting.
>> Anyway right now I'm busy with dairy goats, bottle feeding, milking
>> dehorning, castrating etc Not to mention cleaning out the stalls I've been
>> putting off all winter. Sold some yearling weathers for slaughter this week,
>> It has to be done I guess but it always bothers me.  I did sell some bucks
>> for breeding though and its nice to see them go to a good place, part of the
>> reason I always get good registered stock. 
>> I'm also rebuilding my transmission after my U-joints went bad and cracked
>> the transmission housing, turns out its a very common problem with these
>> Chevy trucks with Allison transmissions.  Bad design, they didn't bother to
>> brace the transfer case so when the U-joints go bad it shakes enough to crack
>> the clutch housing which GM wants $800 for but you can get them from places
>> like Amazon and E-bay for about $400, of course there are gaskets, fluids and
>> special tools you have to get to work on the darn thing..  Another problem
>> that ALWAYS happens to these trucks sooner or later is that the transfer
>> case pump body, which is aircraft aluminum, rubs on the transfer case housing
>> wearing a hole in it eventually (because the housing is made of softer
>> magnesium).  You can get aftermarket pump rub kits to fix this which only
>> cost about $70 including everything you need except the tools and transfer
>> case oil but it the housing already has a hole in it you have to buy a new
>> housing costing a lot more.  Of course that cost assumes you can do the work
>> yourself.  Sorry to mention this here but these trucks are very common and it
>> will save you a LOT of money if you can get ahead of these problems which
>> WILL occur if you don't do something about them early.  I guess it is a farm
>> truck though LOL
>> Well better get back to cleaning stalls or it will never get done. Take care
>> all.
>> Wyatt
>> Jamestown, Ohio
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