From mikerock at mhtc.net Wed Apr 6 11:10:51 2016 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:10:51 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] cucurbits In-Reply-To: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> This is the last post I can find on the forum. Has everyone given up on the forum? I dislike Facebook but remember seeing that everyone had migrated there. What's the site? Mike Nothing in but peas and garlic. Snowed yesterday, then 0.7" rain. Zone 4 Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From karen at rootsfarm.info Wed Apr 6 11:18:20 2016 From: karen at rootsfarm.info (Roots Farm) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:18:20 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] cucurbits In-Reply-To: <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> Message-ID: Missing it all too. Looking forward to knowing FB site. Can?t find by FB search ?Market Farming?. Thansk & best wishes to all, Karen Roots Farm Organic Produce Fruits, Roots, Vegetables & Herbs Cochrane, DOMINICA 767-449-3038 (before 7 P.M.) karen at rootsfarm.info On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Mike Rock wrote: This is the last post I can find on the forum. Has everyone given up on the forum? I dislike Facebook but remember seeing that everyone had migrated there. What's the site? Mike Nothing in but peas and garlic. Snowed yesterday, then 0.7" rain. 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URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 6 11:33:38 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] cucurbits In-Reply-To: References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> Message-ID: <28F19561-7739-465C-8C89-F792117C3547@frontiernet.net> I'm still here. And I'm still not getting tangled up in Facebook; so will very much regret if everybody just goes over there instead. Didn't plant the peas yet, and just as well as we just got not only snow but then 8?F -- some people in the area were reporting even colder temperatures, I ran into one person who said their thermometer was down to 0?F. Garlic should be OK, though; it was coming up nicely, an improvement from the last couple of years when soil didn't thaw in March. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Roots Farm wrote: > Missing it all too. Looking forward to knowing FB site. Can?t find by FB search ?Market Farming?. > > Thansk & best wishes to all, > > Karen > > Roots Farm Organic Produce > Fruits, Roots, Vegetables & Herbs > Cochrane, DOMINICA > 767-449-3038 (before 7 P.M.) > karen at rootsfarm.info > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Mike Rock wrote: > > This is the last post I can find on the forum. Has everyone given up on the forum? I dislike Facebook but remember seeing that everyone had migrated there. What's the site? > > Mike > Nothing in but peas and garlic. Snowed yesterday, then 0.7" rain. Zone 4 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From etienne at lejardinduvillage.ca Wed Apr 6 11:46:00 2016 From: etienne at lejardinduvillage.ca (Etienne Goyer) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:46:00 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] cucurbits In-Reply-To: References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> Message-ID: <57052F38.80503@lejardinduvillage.ca> I'm active in the group "Canada CSA Farmer Discussion" on Facebook. In French, Jean-Martin Fortier has started a group recently for small-scale bio-intensive farming. I guess there has to be an equivalent one for discussion in English. My regional listserv (le r?seau des joyeux mara?chers ?cologiques, where discussion mostly happen in French too), is super active with around 50 posts per day. It's crazy, we're a chatty bunch. Contact me off list if you would like to subscribe. On 16-04-06 11:18 AM, Roots Farm wrote: > Missing it all too. Looking forward to knowing FB site. Can?t find by > FB search ?Market Farming?. > > Thansk & best wishes to all, > > Karen > > * > Roots Farm Organic Produce > Fruits, Roots, Vegetables & Herbs > Cochrane, DOMINICA > 767-449-3038 (before 7 P.M.) > karen at rootsfarm.info > * > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Mike Rock > wrote: > > This is the last post I can find on the forum. Has everyone given up on > the forum? I dislike Facebook but remember seeing that everyone had > migrated there. What's the site? > > Mike > Nothing in but peas and garlic. Snowed yesterday, then 0.7" rain. Zone 4 > > > > > Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming > List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the > list here (you will need to login in with your email address and > password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing > list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming > List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the > list here (you will need to login in with your email address and > password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -- Etienne Goyer - Le Jardin du Village http://lejardinduvillage.wordpress.com "Changer le monde, une carotte ? la fois" From rrobinson at nasw.org Wed Apr 6 11:46:41 2016 From: rrobinson at nasw.org (Richard Robinson) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:46:41 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] cucurbits In-Reply-To: <28F19561-7739-465C-8C89-F792117C3547@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <201646114641.036955@Richard-PC> Ditto on all counts, especially the Facebook mishegas. Richard Robinson www.nasw.org/users/rrobinson/ Hopestill Farm www.hopestill.com On 4/6/2016 at 11:46:20 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: > I'm still here. And I'm still not getting tangled up in Facebook; so will > very much regret if everybody just goes over there instead. > > Didn't plant the peas yet, and just as well as we just got not only snow but > then 8?F -- some people in the area were reporting even colder temperatures, > I ran into one person who said their thermometer was down to 0?F. Garlic > should be OK, though; it was coming up nicely, an improvement from the last > couple of years when soil didn't thaw in March. > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Roots Farm wrote: > >> Missing it all too. Looking forward to knowing FB site. Can?t find by FB >> search ?Market Farming?. >> >> Thansk & best wishes to all, >> >> >> Karen >> > Roots Farm Organic Produce >> Fruits, Roots, Vegetables & Herbs >> Cochrane, DOMINICA >> 767-449-3038 (before 7 P.M.) >> karen at rootsfarm.info >> > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Mike Rock wrote: >> >> This is the last post I can find on the forum. Has everyone given up on >> the forum? I dislike Facebook but remember seeing that everyone had >> migrated there. What's the site? >> >> Mike >> Nothing in but peas and garlic. Snowed yesterday, then 0.7" rain. Zone 4 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From deb at mobiusfields.com Wed Apr 6 11:59:30 2016 From: deb at mobiusfields.com (Deb Taft) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:59:30 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] cucurbits In-Reply-To: <201646114641.036955@Richard-PC> References: <28F19561-7739-465C-8C89-F792117C3547@frontiernet.net> <201646114641.036955@Richard-PC> Message-ID: I miss this group! Thank you for poking us, Mike. I think I joined the facebook group a couple of years ago but can't find it now; I don't think it ever really took off. I'd love it if we could renew some communication here. I got my peas in on March 30. That was pretty thrilling since last March 30 saw more than a foot of snow on the field! Garlic is looking fantastic this year, tall and vigorous. We had low 20s over the last couple nights and will have one more that low this weekend but I'm confident that it will come through fine. I was trying to be a nice guy with the f'ing rodents who were chewing down my seedlings in the greenhouse --ultrasonic thingies, peppermint oil on cotton balls, and cayenne on everything...they wouldn't leave. Snap traps are doing the job. Best to all! Deb Mobius Fields Westchester County, NY 6b / 7a On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Richard Robinson wrote: > Ditto on all counts, especially the Facebook mishegas. > > Richard Robinson > www.nasw.org/users/rrobinson/ > Hopestill Farm > www.hopestill.com > > > On 4/6/2016 at 11:46:20 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: > > I'm still here. And I'm still not getting tangled up in Facebook; so will > > very much regret if everybody just goes over there instead. > > > > Didn't plant the peas yet, and just as well as we just got not only snow > but > > then 8?F -- some people in the area were reporting even colder > temperatures, > > I ran into one person who said their thermometer was down to 0?F. Garlic > > should be OK, though; it was coming up nicely, an improvement from the > last > > couple of years when soil didn't thaw in March. > > > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Roots Farm wrote: > > > >> Missing it all too. Looking forward to knowing FB site. Can?t find by > FB > >> search ?Market Farming?. > >> > >> Thansk & best wishes to all, > >> > >> > >> Karen > >> > > Roots Farm Organic Produce > >> Fruits, Roots, Vegetables & Herbs > >> Cochrane, DOMINICA > >> 767-449-3038 (before 7 P.M.) > >> karen at rootsfarm.info > >> > > > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Mike Rock wrote: > >> > >> This is the last post I can find on the forum. Has everyone given up on > >> the forum? I dislike Facebook but remember seeing that everyone had > >> migrated there. What's the site? > >> > >> Mike > >> Nothing in but peas and garlic. Snowed yesterday, then 0.7" rain. 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Good luck Andrea Getting ready a 2 day heatwave with temperatures in the mid-90's Quarter Acre Farm Sonoma, CA On Apr 6, 2016 9:46 AM, "Road's End Farm" wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Deb Taft wrote: > > > > I was trying to be a nice guy with the f'ing rodents who were chewing down > my seedlings in the greenhouse --ultrasonic thingies, peppermint oil on > cotton balls, and cayenne on everything...they wouldn't leave. > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > > I've never tried the ultrasonics; but I gave up entirely on hot peppers as > a rodent deterrent the year the mice ate all the cayenne peppers I'd set > aside in the attic to get seed out of later. > > (It was definitely mice; they left evidence.) > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Wed Apr 6 15:54:54 2016 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:54:54 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] cucurbits In-Reply-To: <28F19561-7739-465C-8C89-F792117C3547@frontiernet.net> References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> <28F19561-7739-465C-8C89-F792117C3547@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5705698E.3020904@rhomestead.com> I enjoy the Facebook forums, but also very much missed this listserv. Will participate and hope it comes back to life. On 4/6/2016 11:33 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: > I'm still here. And I'm still not getting tangled up in Facebook; so > will very much regret if everybody just goes over there instead. > > Didn't plant the peas yet, and just as well as we just got not only > snow but then 8?F -- some people in the area were reporting even > colder temperatures, I ran into one person who said their thermometer > was down to 0?F. Garlic should be OK, though; it was coming up nicely, > an improvement from the last couple of years when soil didn't thaw in > March. > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Roots Farm wrote: > >> Missing it all too. Looking forward to knowing FB site. Can?t find >> by FB search ?Market Farming?. >> >> Thansk & best wishes to all, >> >> Karen >> >> * >> Roots Farm Organic Produce >> Fruits, Roots, Vegetables & Herbs >> Cochrane, DOMINICA >> 767-449-3038 (before 7 P.M.) >> karen at rootsfarm.info >> * >> >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Mike Rock > > wrote: >> >> This is the last post I can find on the forum. Has everyone given up >> on the forum? I dislike Facebook but remember seeing that everyone >> had migrated there. What's the site? >> >> Mike >> Nothing in but peas and garlic. Snowed yesterday, then 0.7" rain. Zone 4 >> >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Wed Apr 6 15:59:53 2016 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Facebook In-Reply-To: <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> Message-ID: <57056AB9.90101@rhomestead.com> Let's keep this alive, but, here are Facebook groups i participate in. It does become a huge time sink because folks are more likely to make little comments. The photos are great, but it takes much less time to skim the email list. Farmer's Market Vendors Market Gardening Success Group Four Season Farming and Winter Production CSA Farmer Discussion The following three have much less overlap with the listserv, and are good, though the Flower one is VERY active and time consuming. Flower Farmers Cultivating Tractors Slow Tools Group On 4/6/2016 11:10 AM, Mike Rock wrote: > This is the last post I can find on the forum. Has everyone given up > on the forum? I dislike Facebook but remember seeing that everyone > had migrated there. What's the site? > > Mike > Nothing in but peas and garlic. Snowed yesterday, then 0.7" rain. Zone 4 > > > > > Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market > Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from > the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and > password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing > list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market > Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from > the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and > password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown From rrobinson at nasw.org Wed Apr 6 16:04:11 2016 From: rrobinson at nasw.org (Richard Robinson) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:04:11 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] What percent of your time do you spend weeding? Message-ID: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> I'll try to lively things up with a question I posed to a group of eastern Mass farmers as well: I am curious how much time others spend on weed control, and what level of success this brings. As I think about all the aspects of my farming operation: soil prep planting/transplanting weeding harvesting/handling selling and marketing equipment maintenance record keeping (probably forgetting something important) I probably spend less than 5% of my time controlling weeds, and wouldn't say I have them under control. I expect this is too little time, but wonder what a better allotment would be. Looking forward to your replies. Richard Robinson www.nasw.org/users/rrobinson/ Hopestill Farm www.hopestill.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From deb at mobiusfields.com Wed Apr 6 18:54:37 2016 From: deb at mobiusfields.com (Deb Taft) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 18:54:37 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Facebook In-Reply-To: <57056AB9.90101@rhomestead.com> References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> <57056AB9.90101@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: Thanks for this list, Beth! I was in all but the Market Gardening Success Group and the bottom two. Requested entry to the MGSG. :) On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Beth Spaugh wrote: > Let's keep this alive, but, here are Facebook groups i participate in. It > does become a huge time sink because folks are more likely to make little > comments. The photos are great, but it takes much less time to skim the > email list. > > Farmer's Market Vendors > > Market Gardening Success Group > > Four Season Farming and Winter Production > > CSA Farmer Discussion > > The following three have much less overlap with the listserv, and are > good, though the Flower one is VERY active and time consuming. > > Flower Farmers > > Cultivating Tractors > > Slow Tools Group > > > > On 4/6/2016 11:10 AM, Mike Rock wrote: > >> This is the last post I can find on the forum. Has everyone given up on >> the forum? I dislike Facebook but remember seeing that everyone had >> migrated there. What's the site? >> >> Mike >> Nothing in but peas and garlic. Snowed yesterday, then 0.7" rain. Zone 4 >> >> >> >> >> Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming >> List Archives may be found here: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the >> list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming >> _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list >> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming >> List Archives may be found here: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the >> list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Market-farming mailing list >> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming >> >> Market Farming List Archives may be found here: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ >> Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email >> address and password): >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming >> >> > -- > Beth Spaugh > Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY > http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead > > "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - > Wendell Berry > > "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances > Moore Lappe > > It's not that nice guys finish last. 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URL: From mikerock at mhtc.net Wed Apr 6 19:19:59 2016 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 18:19:59 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] cucurbits In-Reply-To: <28F19561-7739-465C-8C89-F792117C3547@frontiernet.net> References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> <28F19561-7739-465C-8C89-F792117C3547@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5705999F.3050905@mhtc.net> Hi Rivka, 8 degrees! Yikes. We are looking at the mid twenties for a few weeks on and off. Glad you stay off FB.... I don't like all the data out there and just like the friendly folks here. God bless. Mike On 4/6/2016 10:33 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: > I'm still here. And I'm still not getting tangled up in Facebook; so > will very much regret if everybody just goes over there instead. > > Didn't plant the peas yet, and just as well as we just got not only > snow but then 8?F -- some people in the area were reporting even > colder temperatures, I ran into one person who said their thermometer > was down to 0?F. Garlic should be OK, though; it was coming up nicely, > an improvement from the last couple of years when soil didn't thaw in --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mikerock at mhtc.net Wed Apr 6 19:24:42 2016 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 18:24:42 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Facebook In-Reply-To: <57056AB9.90101@rhomestead.com> References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A7D100@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> <570526FB.5070007@mhtc.net> <57056AB9.90101@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <57059ABA.1010404@mhtc.net> Yup, let's just show up here every few days and it will stay alive! Always something to talk about, even if it's just complaining about the weather or those pesky mice:( I hate those meeses to pieces! They raised hell with a tupperware container of seed. Nice mouse sized hole.......who'd a thunk it! Mike Wow, some neat list of groups. Anyone else farm with horses? On 4/6/2016 2:59 PM, Beth Spaugh wrote: > Let's keep this alive, but, here are Facebook groups i participate in. > It does become a huge time sink because folks are more likely to make > little comments. The photos are great, but it takes much less time to > skim the email list. > > Farmer's Market Vendors > > Market Gardening Success Group > > Four Season Farming and Winter Production > > CSA Farmer Discussion > > The following three have much less overlap with the listserv, and are > good, though the Flower one is VERY active and time consuming. > > Flower Farmers > > Cultivating Tractors > > Slow Tools Group --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From elainegranata at msn.com Wed Apr 6 21:18:33 2016 From: elainegranata at msn.com (elaine granata) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:18:33 -0600 Subject: [Market-farming] What percent of your time do you spend weeding? In-Reply-To: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> Message-ID: Relative to all of the other tasks Richard listed, I don't spend very much time weeding. I try to keep them from going to seed, and do what I call 'weed and feed"-- hoe in alfalfa meal, or whatever I'm using, and weed at the same time, then put down mulch. I also weed when I'm harvesting -- pulling the stuff that sticks out or gets in the way of harvesting. I mulch a lot which helps keep the weeds down, so I suppose mulching could be considered weeding time. Elaine Denver -----Original Message----- From: Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Richard Robinson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 2:04 PM To: Market Farming Subject: [Market-farming] What percent of your time do you spend weeding? I'll try to lively things up with a question I posed to a group of eastern Mass farmers as well: I am curious how much time others spend on weed control, and what level of success this brings. As I think about all the aspects of my farming operation: soil prep planting/transplanting weeding harvesting/handling selling and marketing equipment maintenance record keeping (probably forgetting something important) I probably spend less than 5% of my time controlling weeds, and wouldn't say I have them under control. I expect this is too little time, but wonder what a better allotment would be. Looking forward to your replies. Richard Robinson www.nasw.org/users/rrobinson/ Hopestill Farm www.hopestill.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming From organic87 at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 6 21:40:16 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 21:40:16 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] What percent of your time do you spend weeding? In-Reply-To: References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> Message-ID: <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> I'm not really sure what percent of my time I spend on weed control. Some of it's tractor cultivation, some of it's cultivating with the rototiller, some of it's wheel hoe, some of it's handweeding, some of it's mulching with plastic or straw (which both serve other purposes as well), some of it's mowing -- and some of it, as Elaine said, is done while doing other things; I'll often weed while harvesting, or while checking crops to write up the harvest lists, or while checking an irrigation zone, or just while enroute from one area to another. I'm sure it's more than 5%, though. And I'm also sure it's not enough. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Wed Apr 6 22:13:38 2016 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 22:13:38 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] What percent of your time do you spend weeding? In-Reply-To: <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> Don't know the time, but I quickly figured that putting ground cloth between plastic beds really pays for itself in saved labor. Ground cloth at Sam's Club, $30 for 225 x 4 ft. Can pay for itself in one day. Got a huge chunk of used silage tarp from a dairy and am hoping to use that some to reduce plastic mulch usage. First few years with just me, by hand, going to farmers market, we built up a huge weed seed bank. On 4/6/2016 9:40 PM, Road's End Farm wrote: > I'm not really sure what percent of my time I spend on weed control. > Some of it's tractor cultivation, some of it's cultivating with the > rototiller, some of it's wheel hoe, some of it's handweeding, some of > it's mulching with plastic or straw (which both serve other purposes > as well), some of it's mowing -- and some of it, as Elaine said, is > done while doing other things; I'll often weed while harvesting, or > while checking crops to write up the harvest lists, or while checking > an irrigation zone, or just while enroute from one area to another. > > I'm sure it's more than 5%, though. And I'm also sure it's not enough. > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 6 22:19:41 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 22:19:41 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] What percent of your time do you spend weeding? In-Reply-To: <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:13 PM, Beth Spaugh wrote: > Don't know the time, but I quickly figured that putting ground cloth between plastic beds really pays for itself in saved labor. I have widely spaced plastic beds (where I have plastic beds at all; I only use it for some crops) and I cultivate aisles with disc and then cover crop and mow; and I've discovered that with a bit of care I can also mow over the plastic edges until the crop overlaps the edges, after which point it's generally less necessary. Actually weeding the edges does do a better job; but it takes a whole lot longer. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sarah_sohn at hotmail.com Wed Apr 6 22:55:23 2016 From: sarah_sohn at hotmail.com (S Sohn) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 02:55:23 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] What percent of your time do you spend weeding? In-Reply-To: <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net>, <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: Beth--can you explain a little how you secure the landscape fabric to aisles between plastic beds? Are you using ground staples to secure the fabric? If so, do the staples also go through the edges of the plastic? Any trouble w/the plastic tearing? Thanks!! --Sarah Sohn Young Sohn Gardens Central MD On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Beth Spaugh > wrote: Don't know the time, but I quickly figured that putting ground cloth between plastic beds really pays for itself in saved labor. Ground cloth at Sam's Club, $30 for 225 x 4 ft. Can pay for itself in one day. Got a huge chunk of used silage tarp from a dairy and am hoping to use that some to reduce plastic mulch usage. First few years with just me, by hand, going to farmers market, we built up a huge weed seed bank. On 4/6/2016 9:40 PM, Road's End Farm wrote: I'm not really sure what percent of my time I spend on weed control. Some of it's tractor cultivation, some of it's cultivating with the rototiller, some of it's wheel hoe, some of it's handweeding, some of it's mulching with plastic or straw (which both serve other purposes as well), some of it's mowing -- and some of it, as Elaine said, is done while doing other things; I'll often weed while harvesting, or while checking crops to write up the harvest lists, or while checking an irrigation zone, or just while enroute from one area to another. I'm sure it's more than 5%, though. And I'm also sure it's not enough. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Thu Apr 7 10:45:57 2016 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:45:57 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] What percent of your time do you spend weeding? In-Reply-To: References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> Getting the ground cover to stay put during spring winds is a trick, that sometimes doesn't work. We have started waiting until June before putting the ground cover down because it seems to stay better then. We got the 8" staples from Nolts which work fairly well. Also use fence posts laid down, heavy pipe, rock bags, whatever we have. The staples are great where you walk alot since they are out of the way. THe shipping on them is a lot. And hired help taking up the ground cloth in the fall seem to be oblivious to the staples, leaving them for me to find the next year or during fall cover crop prep. I like to have the ground cloth come up a couple inches onto the plastic, and staple it through the plastic. Our beds aren't always that even though. No, the plastic hasn't torn from the staples. On 4/6/2016 10:55 PM, S Sohn wrote: > Beth--can you explain a little how you secure the landscape fabric to > aisles between plastic beds? Are you using ground staples to secure > the fabric? If so, do the staples also go through the edges of the > plastic? Any trouble w/the plastic tearing? Thanks!! > > --Sarah Sohn > Young Sohn Gardens > Central MD > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Beth Spaugh > wrote: > >> Don't know the time, but I quickly figured that putting ground cloth >> between plastic beds really pays for itself in saved labor. Ground >> cloth at Sam's Club, $30 for 225 x 4 ft. Can pay for itself in one day. >> >> Got a huge chunk of used silage tarp from a dairy and am hoping to >> use that some to reduce plastic mulch usage. First few years with >> just me, by hand, going to farmers market, we built up a huge weed >> seed bank. >> >> On 4/6/2016 9:40 PM, Road's End Farm wrote: >>> I'm not really sure what percent of my time I spend on weed control. >>> Some of it's tractor cultivation, some of it's cultivating with the >>> rototiller, some of it's wheel hoe, some of it's handweeding, some >>> of it's mulching with plastic or straw (which both serve other >>> purposes as well), some of it's mowing -- and some of it, as Elaine >>> said, is done while doing other things; I'll often weed while >>> harvesting, or while checking crops to write up the harvest lists, >>> or while checking an irrigation zone, or just while enroute from one >>> area to another. >>> >>> I'm sure it's more than 5%, though. And I'm also sure it's not enough. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think >>> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Market-farming mailing list >>> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming >>> >>> Market Farming List Archives may be found here: >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ >>> Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email >>> address and password): >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming >> >> -- >> Beth Spaugh >> Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY >> http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead >> >> "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - >> Wendell Berry >> >> "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances >> Moore Lappe >> >> It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion >> where the finish line is. - unknown >> _______________________________________________ >> Market-farming mailing list >> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming >> >> Market Farming List Archives may be found here: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ >> Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email >> address and password): >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Thu Apr 7 11:02:23 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:02:23 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] weeding, plastic mulch, row covers, repins In-Reply-To: <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <5201C78C-5B46-466E-A76D-B174727032EE@frontiernet.net> On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Beth Spaugh wrote: > No, the plastic hasn't torn from the staples. I sometimes put row covers over plastic and hold the row covers in place with Re-pins; these plastic pins also often go through the plastic mulch. That doesn't seem to cause any problem either. -- Here's a link from Gemplers; last year, at least, E&R had them cheaper. I didn't need to order any more this year so don't have a current price comparison. http://www.gemplers.com/product/139524/DEWITT-RE-PINS (The repins don't hold quite as well as weight bags, but they hold in most weather, even in a fair amount of wind, if I get them in right and use two to a hoop on the windward side; and I can carry a 300' row's worth easily in one bucket with one hand. If the soil's loose, stomp on the spot you're putting them in hard with one foot before pushing in the pins. I have somewhat clayey soil and I don't know if they'd work in sand.) -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenbez at hotmail.com Thu Apr 7 11:06:01 2016 From: kenbez at hotmail.com (Ken Bezilla) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Indigo tomatoes In-Reply-To: <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC>, , <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net>, <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com>, , <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: Here's a topic for the group -- anyone found any indigo tomatoes that they like? We tried Indigo Rose when it first came out, weren't excited about the flavor (but, everything I've read about indigo tomatoes has said that's going to be the case, that it's taking a while to breed flavor into them, since the original blue tomatoes used to breed them were bleah/bitter). Last year we tried Indigo Blue Beauty, Indigo Blue Berries, Indigo Gold Berries, and Indigo Cherry Drops. Besides not having great flavor, most didn't hold up well in the heat here. Indigo Cherry Drops was the only one that some of us actually liked for the flavor (with comments ranging from "that's OK" to "that's pretty good!") Someone recommended Indigo Apple to us, so we're giving that one a try this year, here's hoping! Ken Bezilla central VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sarah_sohn at hotmail.com Thu Apr 7 11:11:58 2016 From: sarah_sohn at hotmail.com (S Sohn) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:11:58 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] What percent of your time do you spend weeding? In-Reply-To: <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> , <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much for the terrific description, Beth--very helpful!! On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Beth Spaugh > wrote: Getting the ground cover to stay put during spring winds is a trick, that sometimes doesn't work. We have started waiting until June before putting the ground cover down because it seems to stay better then. We got the 8" staples from Nolts which work fairly well. Also use fence posts laid down, heavy pipe, rock bags, whatever we have. The staples are great where you walk alot since they are out of the way. THe shipping on them is a lot. And hired help taking up the ground cloth in the fall seem to be oblivious to the staples, leaving them for me to find the next year or during fall cover crop prep. I like to have the ground cloth come up a couple inches onto the plastic, and staple it through the plastic. Our beds aren't always that even though. No, the plastic hasn't torn from the staples. On 4/6/2016 10:55 PM, S Sohn wrote: Beth--can you explain a little how you secure the landscape fabric to aisles between plastic beds? Are you using ground staples to secure the fabric? If so, do the staples also go through the edges of the plastic? Any trouble w/the plastic tearing? Thanks!! --Sarah Sohn Young Sohn Gardens Central MD On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Beth Spaugh <lists at rhomestead.com> wrote: Don't know the time, but I quickly figured that putting ground cloth between plastic beds really pays for itself in saved labor. Ground cloth at Sam's Club, $30 for 225 x 4 ft. Can pay for itself in one day. Got a huge chunk of used silage tarp from a dairy and am hoping to use that some to reduce plastic mulch usage. First few years with just me, by hand, going to farmers market, we built up a huge weed seed bank. On 4/6/2016 9:40 PM, Road's End Farm wrote: I'm not really sure what percent of my time I spend on weed control. Some of it's tractor cultivation, some of it's cultivating with the rototiller, some of it's wheel hoe, some of it's handweeding, some of it's mulching with plastic or straw (which both serve other purposes as well), some of it's mowing -- and some of it, as Elaine said, is done while doing other things; I'll often weed while harvesting, or while checking crops to write up the harvest lists, or while checking an irrigation zone, or just while enroute from one area to another. I'm sure it's more than 5%, though. And I'm also sure it's not enough. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. 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URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Thu Apr 7 11:25:02 2016 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:25:02 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Indigo tomatoes In-Reply-To: References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <57067BCE.9080405@rhomestead.com> I have not been favorably impressed with either the Indigo or the Artisan. Unimpressed enough that they only got one year's trial. On 4/7/2016 11:06 AM, Ken Bezilla wrote: > Here's a topic for the group -- anyone found any indigo tomatoes that > they like? > > We tried Indigo Rose when it first came out, weren't excited about the > flavor (but, everything I've read about indigo tomatoes has said > that's going to be the case, that it's taking a while to breed flavor > into them, since the original blue tomatoes used to breed them were > bleah/bitter). > > Last year we tried Indigo Blue Beauty, Indigo Blue Berries, Indigo > Gold Berries, and Indigo Cherry Drops. Besides not having great > flavor, most didn't hold up well in the heat here. Indigo Cherry Drops > was the only one that some of us actually liked for the flavor (with > comments ranging from "that's OK" to "that's pretty good!") > > Someone recommended Indigo Apple to us, so we're giving that one a try > this year, here's hoping! > > Ken Bezilla > central VA > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb at mobiusfields.com Thu Apr 7 11:49:01 2016 From: deb at mobiusfields.com (Deb Taft) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Indigo tomatoes In-Reply-To: <57067BCE.9080405@rhomestead.com> References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> <57067BCE.9080405@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <6A576F12-5A64-42C3-B94D-16749A7D751C@mobiusfields.com> I gave Indigo Rose 3 years and really disliked them the whole time. The good points are that they're prolific and gorgeous; bad points are that they take forever to ripen, the flavor is bland at best, the vines are brittle and break off way too easily for how I work, and my customers don't really seem to go for those smaller fruits. Is it a huge cherry or a tiny slicer? I'm disappointed because they are stunning and draw people into my booth. I always felt like I have to apologize for them - not the sort of interaction I want to have with my customers! Will look forward to improvements. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Beth Spaugh wrote: > > I have not been favorably impressed with either the Indigo or the Artisan. Unimpressed enough that they only got one year's trial. > >> On 4/7/2016 11:06 AM, Ken Bezilla wrote: >> Here's a topic for the group -- anyone found any indigo tomatoes that they like? >> >> We tried Indigo Rose when it first came out, weren't excited about the flavor (but, everything I've read about indigo tomatoes has said that's going to be the case, that it's taking a while to breed flavor into them, since the original blue tomatoes used to breed them were bleah/bitter). >> >> Last year we tried Indigo Blue Beauty, Indigo Blue Berries, Indigo Gold Berries, and Indigo Cherry Drops. Besides not having great flavor, most didn't hold up well in the heat here. Indigo Cherry Drops was the only one that some of us actually liked for the flavor (with comments ranging from "that's OK" to "that's pretty good!") >> >> Someone recommended Indigo Apple to us, so we're giving that one a try this year, here's hoping! >> >> Ken Bezilla >> central VA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Market-farming mailing list >> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming >> >> Market Farming List Archives may be found here: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ >> Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email >> address and password): >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > -- > Beth Spaugh > Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY > http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead > > "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - > Wendell Berry > > "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances > Moore Lappe > > It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion > where the finish line is. - unknown > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burkefarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 11:55:56 2016 From: burkefarm at gmail.com (Burke Farm) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:55:56 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] indigo tomatoes Message-ID: I feel the same. We grew grafted Indigo Cherry Drops last year and they were stunning, prolific, disease resistant - and not that delicious. Going back to a regular red cherry type this year. I was tempted by the Artisans. Lisa Burke Farming Engineers central IN z5 From mikerock at mhtc.net Thu Apr 7 12:24:08 2016 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:24:08 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] indigo tomatoes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570689A8.4060500@mhtc.net> Exactly! I feel the same. We grew grafted Indigo Cherry Drops last year and they were stunning, prolific, disease resistant - and not that delicious. Going back to a regular red cherry type this year. I was tempted by the Artisans. Rivka, as Gemplers is just up the road I think we'll pick up a case of those pins. Lots better than bent up old welding rod. Same problem trying to put a cover on a row of round bales. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From elainegranata at msn.com Thu Apr 7 13:10:58 2016 From: elainegranata at msn.com (elaine granata) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:10:58 -0600 Subject: [Market-farming] Indigo tomatoes In-Reply-To: <57067BCE.9080405@rhomestead.com> References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> <57067BCE.9080405@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: Ditto on the Indigo Rose-a pretty face, but no flavor. Won't grow them again. Elaine Denver From: Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Beth Spaugh Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 9:25 AM To: Market Farming Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Indigo tomatoes I have not been favorably impressed with either the Indigo or the Artisan. Unimpressed enough that they only got one year's trial. On 4/7/2016 11:06 AM, Ken Bezilla wrote: Here's a topic for the group -- anyone found any indigo tomatoes that they like? We tried Indigo Rose when it first came out, weren't excited about the flavor (but, everything I've read about indigo tomatoes has said that's going to be the case, that it's taking a while to breed flavor into them, since the original blue tomatoes used to breed them were bleah/bitter). Last year we tried Indigo Blue Beauty, Indigo Blue Berries, Indigo Gold Berries, and Indigo Cherry Drops. Besides not having great flavor, most didn't hold up well in the heat here. Indigo Cherry Drops was the only one that some of us actually liked for the flavor (with comments ranging from "that's OK" to "that's pretty good!") Someone recommended Indigo Apple to us, so we're giving that one a try this year, here's hoping! Ken Bezilla central VA _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bcluton at aol.com Thu Apr 7 15:01:23 2016 From: bcluton at aol.com (Brian Luton) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:01:23 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Indigo tomatoes In-Reply-To: References: <20164616411.199077@Richard-PC> <4CAABE5F-A651-40E3-95C4-1BFEB95C2B96@frontiernet.net> <5705C252.3010503@rhomestead.com> <570672A5.4020506@rhomestead.com> <57067BCE.9080405@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <0F27B5AA-E2C4-4746-A735-FEB20F172522@aol.com> We grow Indigo Rose in our You-Pick and speciality section. They do quite well but are very late. Once folks have learned what to look for in terms of ripeness they have liked them. Maybe not your everyday tomato but something novel. They take some customer education because they need to be really ripe to eat well, black on top and pumpkin Orange on the bottom. We also talked about the open source breeding program and high antioxidants. I wouldn't grow them as mainstay cherry tomato. To late, to weird, to big. But as a specialty tomato they are noteworthy. The artisan series didn't do well for us. They look kinda interesting but yielded poorly and didn't develop good flavor. Brian www.stonesthrowfarm.biz Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2016, at 1:10 PM, elaine granata wrote: > > Ditto on the Indigo Rose?a pretty face, but no flavor. Won?t grow them again. > > Elaine > Denver > > From: Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Beth Spaugh > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 9:25 AM > To: Market Farming > Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Indigo tomatoes > > I have not been favorably impressed with either the Indigo or the Artisan. Unimpressed enough that they only got one year's trial. > > On 4/7/2016 11:06 AM, Ken Bezilla wrote: > Here's a topic for the group -- anyone found any indigo tomatoes that they like? > > We tried Indigo Rose when it first came out, weren't excited about the flavor (but, everything I've read about indigo tomatoes has said that's going to be the case, that it's taking a while to breed flavor into them, since the original blue tomatoes used to breed them were bleah/bitter). > > Last year we tried Indigo Blue Beauty, Indigo Blue Berries, Indigo Gold Berries, and Indigo Cherry Drops. Besides not having great flavor, most didn't hold up well in the heat here. Indigo Cherry Drops was the only one that some of us actually liked for the flavor (with comments ranging from "that's OK" to "that's pretty good!") > > Someone recommended Indigo Apple to us, so we're giving that one a try this year, here's hoping! > > Ken Bezilla > central VA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > -- > Beth Spaugh > Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY > http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead > > "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - > Wendell Berry > > "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances > Moore Lappe > > It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion > where the finish line is. - unknown > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikerock at mhtc.net Fri Apr 8 11:05:29 2016 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:05:29 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! Message-ID: <5707C8B9.10609@mhtc.net> 36 degrees here is SW Wisconsin and snowing to beat the band. Had five beautiful RED American Mulefoot pigglets yesterday. Red is rare, the rarest of all. We have a boar and sow, pure bright red. Not crosses, pure Mulefoot. It's a rare recessive gene. Fun little guys. Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kenbez at hotmail.com Fri Apr 8 12:07:43 2016 From: kenbez at hotmail.com (Ken Bezilla) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:07:43 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! In-Reply-To: <5707C8B9.10609@mhtc.net> References: <5707C8B9.10609@mhtc.net> Message-ID: Mike -- neat! Do you have links to any pictures of red ones? Really curious to see! Ken Bezilla central VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 8 12:25:34 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:25:34 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question In-Reply-To: <5707C8B9.10609@mhtc.net> References: <5707C8B9.10609@mhtc.net> Message-ID: <582CC260-956B-47AB-BBAD-9321A1FA5D07@frontiernet.net> On Apr 8, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Mike Rock wrote: > 36 degrees here is SW Wisconsin and snowing to beat the band. Here it's mid-30's and can't make up its mind whether it's snowing, cloudy, or even popping out a bit of sun. It's definitely windy, though. Congratulations on the red pigs (look out for red heifers, though!) But while we're on red things: what are people growing for an utterly standard-looking round smooth large red tomato that nevertheless has at least some flavor? It needs to be fairly early. I'm still hunting for a good alternative to Big Beef. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikerock at mhtc.net Fri Apr 8 12:35:54 2016 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:35:54 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! In-Reply-To: References: <5707C8B9.10609@mhtc.net> Message-ID: <5707DDEA.2020704@mhtc.net> I'll get the camera out of the truck and get some. THanks for your interest. We love these guys. Had over a hundred Mulefoots and fifty Mangalitzas. Great at raising them but couldn't market worth squat. We sold to a guy who is also pasture raising them now and he is promoting the heck out of them. Chefs are falling over themselves to buy them. Oh well. Mike On 4/8/2016 11:07 AM, Ken Bezilla wrote: > Mike -- neat! Do you have links to any pictures of red ones? Really > curious to see! > > Ken Bezilla > central VA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gofish54 at centurytel.net Fri Apr 8 16:12:35 2016 From: gofish54 at centurytel.net (gofish54 at centurytel.net) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question In-Reply-To: <582CC260-956B-47AB-BBAD-9321A1FA5D07@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <80857366.10602578.1460146355302.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> For an indeterminate, I like Goliath hybrid.? For determinate, Red Deuce or BHN 589. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Road's End Farm" To: "Market Farming" Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 11:25:34 AM Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question On Apr 8, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Mike Rock wrote: 36 degrees here is SW Wisconsin and snowing to beat the band. Here it's mid-30's and can't make up its mind whether it's snowing, cloudy, or even popping out a bit of sun. It's definitely windy, though. Congratulations on the red pigs (look out for red heifers, though!) But while we're on red things: what are people growing for an utterly standard-looking round smooth large red tomato that nevertheless has at least some flavor? It needs to be fairly early. I'm still hunting for a good alternative to Big Beef. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wyatt_jones at netzero.com Fri Apr 8 16:55:39 2016 From: wyatt_jones at netzero.com (Wyatt Jones) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:55:39 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Heritage wheat, Facebook etc Message-ID: Hi Nice to see this forum active, thought it went the way of the dinosaurs LOL. I don't like Facebook, I used to work in Internet security and I find that place to be a huge security risk, they change the rules without notice and sell every bit of information they get on you without a second thought. I think its not much better than a con game. If people knew what was really going on there they should be appalled but then some people send strangers their nude pictures without thinking of the consequences so I'm not surprised about Internet recklessness. Still enough people use it and somehow do things that suggest everybody should be compelled to do the same. A lot of small businesses put up sites there but I don't know if they realize that to access these commercial sites one usually has to join Facebook and expose ones self to all the risks that produces and many people, myself included don't think its worth it so we have a harder time doing business with those that rely on Facebook for marketing. Personally I think its better to be safe than sorry but everybody has to make their own judgments. Why does Facebook use these strong-arm tactics? Because they make money selling you out every way they can and their product is YOUR personal information. Sorry for the rant but I don't think people realize what's going on behind the internet scenes, privacy is non existent, its easy to be taken for a big ride and not even have a clue so please be careful. Its a great tool but not without more risk than you may realize and the laws have a long way to go to catch up to the issues involved. I posted about heritage wheat a while back. I've had some concerns about growing Hard Wheats here in Ohio and really didn't get any answers. From my research I had concerns that the humid weather here wouldn't produce good bread wheat as there is quite a bit of evidence that Hard bread wheats grown in humid environments end up producing low gluten wheat similar to soft wheat that makes decent cake flour but not so great bread flour. Anyway I know there are somewhat humid regions like France that grow bread flour but France is known for low protein, including gluten flours although obviously enough to produce decent bread. So before I made a commitment to growing some heritage wheat I bought several varieties of locally grown hard bread wheat varieties and I have to say I'm pretty disappointed. They tasted good and made good cake type baked goods but fell flat, figuratively and literally when it came to real bread. I was able to make a decent looking loaf, light enough with a bit of working and OK table bread (with wild fermentation) but they didn't hold up to sandwich standards, tended to fall apart. They did a lot better when I mixed some Montana grown wheat in which did improve the flavor quite a bit but adding adjuncts or other flour types (beans potatoes, other grains like rye etc) became problematic. Now I've used some of these same wheat varieties grown in places like Montana and Kansas and they contained more than enough gluten to make a great sandwich loaf, even with some limited adjuncts, so my only conclusion is that the negative Data concerning growing hard wheats in a humid environment must have merit. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get any heirloom hard wheat of French or other Humid area origins but even those areas aren't as humid as we are as far as I know. I went to the OOEFA conference and attended a class that were supposedly about heritage wheat but no mention was given them except when I asked questions, even then I got very little information about them except a few names of locally developed heirloom soft wheat varieties like Logan that I already knew about. Bottom line is I put that idea on hold for a while but thought I'd post my impressions in case somebody else was considering it. So my impression at this point, although I've not yet given up, is that growing a good quality hard bread wheat in Ohio is a lot like chasing unicorns only to find out they are Rhinos. Doesn't mean there isn't good wheat grown here, just not the bread kind. That said, if anybody has evidence to the contrary I'd be very glad to hear it and eat my words. For some reason I always seem to be the person asking questions nobody has the answer to, Oh well. Not sure if that means I'm in the front or out to lunch LOL. I guess I'm one of those "outside the box" people but it keeps life interesting. Anyway right now I'm busy with dairy goats, bottle feeding, milking dehorning, castrating etc Not to mention cleaning out the stalls I've been putting off all winter. Sold some yearling weathers for slaughter this week, It has to be done I guess but it always bothers me. I did sell some bucks for breeding though and its nice to see them go to a good place, part of the reason I always get good registered stock. I'm also rebuilding my transmission after my U-joints went bad and cracked the transmission housing, turns out its a very common problem with these Chevy trucks with Allison transmissions. Bad design, they didn't bother to brace the transfer case so when the U-joints go bad it shakes enough to crack the clutch housing which GM wants $800 for but you can get them from places like Amazon and E-bay for about $400, of course there are gaskets, fluids and special tools you have to get to work on the darn thing.. Another problem that ALWAYS happens to these trucks sooner or later is that the transfer case pump body, which is aircraft aluminum, rubs on the transfer case housing wearing a hole in it eventually (because the housing is made of softer magnesium). You can get aftermarket pump rub kits to fix this which only cost about $70 including everything you need except the tools and transfer case oil but it the housing already has a hole in it you have to buy a new housing costing a lot more. Of course that cost assumes you can do the work yourself. Sorry to mention this here but these trucks are very common and it will save you a LOT of money if you can get ahead of these problems which WILL occur if you don't do something about them early. I guess it is a farm truck though LOL Well better get back to cleaning stalls or it will never get done. Take care all. Wyatt Jamestown, Ohio ____________________________________________________________ Wall Street Daily Peter Schiff: China Just Armed its Financial Missile http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/57081b0129481ae86e52st01vuc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eglatyne at tds.net Fri Apr 8 18:03:44 2016 From: eglatyne at tds.net (eglatyne at tds.net) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Market-farming] tomatoes In-Reply-To: <1118847411.80260761.1460152835844.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> Message-ID: <2106777040.80265613.1460153024682.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> Hello all, I miss you and all your good advice. I know it's not red, but a bright pink and it is an heirloom out of this world flavor. Is is the Dester Tomato from seed exchange, oh and it is early too for a big tomato. I grew some of the indigo tomatoes and they didn't taste good to me either Carol Thomas, Sweet Briar Herb Farm, Onalaska, WA From organic87 at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 8 18:12:11 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:12:11 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] tomatoes In-Reply-To: <2106777040.80265613.1460153024682.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> References: <2106777040.80265613.1460153024682.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> Message-ID: <298013CC-CD3C-4714-B9A2-591318F8176F@frontiernet.net> On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:03 PM, eglatyne at tds.net wrote: > Hello all, I miss you and all your good advice. I know it's not red, but a bright pink and it is an heirloom out of this world flavor. Is is the Dester Tomato from seed exchange, oh and it is early too for a big tomato. I grew some of the indigo tomatoes and they didn't taste good to me either Carol Thomas, Sweet Briar Herb Farm, Onalaska, WA Good to see you here too! people are popping out of the woodwork. Guess we just needed somebody to get started. I grow several heirlooms -- I haven't tried Dester and it does sound interesting. But for a large pink heirloom with great flavor I've already got Brandywine and Mrs. Horst's Oxheart. Some of my customers however want Standard Round Bright Red No Odd Shapes. I'd like to have something for them that at least tastes decent enough that I'm not embarrassed to have it on the stand. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cs13 at cornell.edu Fri Apr 8 18:44:27 2016 From: cs13 at cornell.edu (Carla Shafer) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:44:27 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Heritage wheat, Facebook etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wyatt, My brother's family lives in the south, and for many years got all of their bread flour from a man in Missouri who had an amazing wheat farm operated entirely with steam tractors. The variety he grew was Turkey Brown, which is one of the original land races brought to the mid-western U.S. by immigrant farmers. It made excellent bread. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Wyatt Jones wrote: > Hi > > Nice to see this forum active, thought it went the way of the dinosaurs > LOL. I don't like Facebook, I used to work in Internet security and I find > that place to be a huge security risk, they change the rules without notice > and sell every bit of information they get on you without a second > thought. I think its not much better than a con game. If people knew what > was really going on there they should be appalled but then some people send > strangers their nude pictures without thinking of the consequences so I'm > not surprised about Internet recklessness. Still enough people use it and > somehow do things that suggest everybody should be compelled to do the > same. A lot of small businesses put up sites there but I don't know if > they realize that to access these commercial sites one usually has to join > Facebook and expose ones self to all the risks that produces and many > people, myself included don't think its worth it so we have a harder time > doing business with those that rely on Facebook for marketing. Personally > I think its better to be safe than sorry but everybody has to make their > own judgments. Why does Facebook use these strong-arm tactics? Because > they make money selling you out every way they can and their product is > YOUR personal information. > > Sorry for the rant but I don't think people realize what's going on behind > the internet scenes, privacy is non existent, its easy to be taken for a > big ride and not even have a clue so please be careful. Its a great tool > but not without more risk than you may realize and the laws have a long way > to go to catch up to the issues involved. > > I posted about heritage wheat a while back. I've had some concerns about > growing Hard Wheats here in Ohio and really didn't get any answers. From > my research I had concerns that the humid weather here wouldn't produce > good bread wheat as there is quite a bit of evidence that Hard bread wheats > grown in humid environments end up producing low gluten wheat similar to > soft wheat that makes decent cake flour but not so great bread flour. > Anyway I know there are somewhat humid regions like France that grow bread > flour but France is known for low protein, including gluten flours although > obviously enough to produce decent bread. > > So before I made a commitment to growing some heritage wheat I bought > several varieties of locally grown hard bread wheat varieties and I have to > say I'm pretty disappointed. They tasted good and made good cake type > baked goods but fell flat, figuratively and literally when it came to real > bread. I was able to make a decent looking loaf, light enough with a bit > of working and OK table bread (with wild fermentation) but they didn't hold > up to sandwich standards, tended to fall apart. They did a lot better when > I mixed some Montana grown wheat in which did improve the flavor quite a > bit but adding adjuncts or other flour types (beans potatoes, other grains > like rye etc) became problematic. Now I've used some of these same wheat > varieties grown in places like Montana and Kansas and they contained more > than enough gluten to make a great sandwich loaf, even with some limited > adjuncts, so my only conclusion is that the negative Data concerning > growing hard wheats in a humid environment must have merit. Unfortunately > I haven't been able to get any heirloom hard wheat of French or other Humid > area origins but even those areas aren't as humid as we are as far as I > know. I went to the OOEFA conference and attended a class that were > supposedly about heritage wheat but no mention was given them except when I > asked questions, even then I got very little information about them except > a few names of locally developed heirloom soft wheat varieties like Logan > that I already knew about. Bottom line is I put that idea on hold for a > while but thought I'd post my impressions in case somebody else was > considering it. > > So my impression at this point, although I've not yet given up, is that > growing a good quality hard bread wheat in Ohio is a lot like chasing > unicorns only to find out they are Rhinos. Doesn't mean there isn't good > wheat grown here, just not the bread kind. That said, if anybody has > evidence to the contrary I'd be very glad to hear it and eat my words. > > For some reason I always seem to be the person asking questions nobody has > the answer to, Oh well. Not sure if that means I'm in the front or out to > lunch LOL. I guess I'm one of those "outside the box" people but it keeps > life interesting. > > Anyway right now I'm busy with dairy goats, bottle feeding, milking > dehorning, castrating etc Not to mention cleaning out the stalls I've been > putting off all winter. Sold some yearling weathers for slaughter this > week, It has to be done I guess but it always bothers me. I did sell some > bucks for breeding though and its nice to see them go to a good place, part > of the reason I always get good registered stock. > > I'm also rebuilding my transmission after my U-joints went bad and cracked > the transmission housing, turns out its a very common problem with these > Chevy trucks with Allison transmissions. Bad design, they didn't bother to > brace the transfer case so when the U-joints go bad it shakes enough to > crack the clutch housing which GM wants $800 for but you can get them from > places like Amazon and E-bay for about $400, of course there are gaskets, > fluids and special tools you have to get to work on the darn thing.. > Another problem that ALWAYS happens to these trucks sooner or later is that > the transfer case pump body, which is aircraft aluminum, rubs on the > transfer case housing wearing a hole in it eventually (because the housing > is made of softer magnesium). You can get aftermarket pump rub kits to fix > this which only cost about $70 including everything you need except the > tools and transfer case oil but it the housing already has a hole in it you > have to buy a new housing costing a lot more. Of course that cost assumes > you can do the work yourself. Sorry to mention this here but these trucks > are very common and it will save you a LOT of money if you can get ahead of > these problems which WILL occur if you don't do something about them > early. I guess it is a farm truck though LOL > > Well better get back to cleaning stalls or it will never get done. 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URL: From elderberrywine4u at yahoo.com Fri Apr 8 18:44:55 2016 From: elderberrywine4u at yahoo.com (Joyce Paski) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question In-Reply-To: <582CC260-956B-47AB-BBAD-9321A1FA5D07@frontiernet.net> References: <582CC260-956B-47AB-BBAD-9321A1FA5D07@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <1179593236.409927.1460155495418.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Rivka. Last year I tried original Abe Lincoln and that looked like a smooth red, store-bought tomato. It was very disease resistant for me and we had a wet year last year, too. Good old-fashioned flavor. It is indeterminate. I had well-established seedlings that I planted so I didn't pay attention to just how long it was before they started fruiting. ?Joyce Paski Swamp Creek Farm, Zone 3 http://www.swampcreekfarm.blogspot.com On Friday, April 8, 2016 11:26 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: On Apr 8, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Mike Rock wrote: 36 degrees here is SW Wisconsin and snowing to beat the band. Here it's mid-30's and can't make up its mind whether it's snowing, cloudy, or even popping out a bit of sun. It's definitely windy, though. Congratulations on the red pigs (look out for red heifers, though!) But while we're on red things: what are people growing for an utterly standard-looking round smooth large red tomato that nevertheless has at least some flavor? It needs to be fairly early. I'm still hunting for a good alternative to Big Beef. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I thinkFresh-market organic produce, small scale _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming Sent from Yahoo Mail. Check it out On Friday, April 8, 2016 11:26 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: On Apr 8, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Mike Rock wrote: 36 degrees here is SW Wisconsin and snowing to beat the band. Here it's mid-30's and can't make up its mind whether it's snowing, cloudy, or even popping out a bit of sun. It's definitely windy, though. Congratulations on the red pigs (look out for red heifers, though!) But while we're on red things: what are people growing for an utterly standard-looking round smooth large red tomato that nevertheless has at least some flavor? It needs to be fairly early. I'm still hunting for a good alternative to Big Beef. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I thinkFresh-market organic produce, small scale _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burkholders at glenecofarm.com Fri Apr 8 19:19:22 2016 From: burkholders at glenecofarm.com (Marlin Burkholder) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 19:19:22 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Heritage wheat, Facebook etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wyatt, You have given a lot of information about Facebook security which I had not thought about. I have been aware that hard wheats are better for bread flours. Thanks for the detailed explanation for this. In 2014 when Marlin and I trekked across the US, a big cherry and fruit farmer in the state of Washington said that it doesn?t pay them to grow wheat on their irrigated land anymore; as that is left to the dry land farmers in Montana. Burkholders in VA On 4/8/16 6:44 PM, "Carla Shafer" wrote: > Wyatt, > > My brother's family lives in the south, and for many years got all of their > bread flour from a man in Missouri who had an amazing wheat farm operated > entirely with steam tractors. The variety he grew was Turkey Brown, which is > one of the original land races brought to the mid-western U.S. by immigrant > farmers.? It made excellent bread. > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Wyatt Jones wrote: >> Hi >> ? >> Nice to see this forum active, thought it went the way of the dinosaurs LOL.? >> I don't like Facebook, I used to work in Internet security and I find that >> place to be a huge security risk, they change the rules without notice and >> sell every bit of information they get on you without a second thought.? I >> think its not much better than a con game.? If people knew what was really >> going on there they?should be appalled but then some people send strangers >> their nude pictures without thinking of the consequences so I'm not surprised >> about Internet recklessness.? Still enough people use it and somehow do >> things that suggest everybody should be compelled to do the same.? A lot of >> small businesses put up sites there? but I don't know if they realize that to >> access these commercial sites one usually has to join Facebook and expose >> ones self to all the risks that produces and many people, myself included >> don't think its worth it so we have a harder time doing business with those >> that rely on Facebook for marketing.? Personally I think its better to be >> safe than sorry but everybody has to make their own judgments. Why does >> Facebook use these strong-arm tactics?? Because they make money selling you >> out every way they can and their product is YOUR personal information. >> ? >> Sorry for the rant but I don't think people realize what's going on behind >> the internet scenes, privacy is non existent, its easy to be taken for a big >> ride and not even have a clue so please be careful.? Its a great tool but not >> without more risk than you may realize and the laws have a long way to go to >> catch up to the issues involved. >> ? >> I posted about heritage wheat a while back.? I've had some concerns about >> growing Hard Wheats here in Ohio and really didn't get any answers.? From my >> research I had concerns that the humid weather here wouldn't produce good >> bread wheat as there is quite a bit of evidence that Hard bread wheats grown >> in humid environments end up producing low gluten wheat similar to soft wheat >> that makes decent cake flour but not so great bread flour.? Anyway I know >> there are somewhat humid regions like France that grow bread flour but France >> is known for low protein, including gluten?flours although obviously enough >> to produce decent bread.? >> ? >> So before I made a commitment to growing some heritage wheat I bought several >> varieties of locally grown hard bread wheat varieties and I have to say I'm >> pretty disappointed.? They tasted good and made good cake?type baked goods >> but fell flat, figuratively and literally when it came to real bread.? I was >> able to make a decent looking loaf,?light enough with a bit of working?and?OK >> table bread?(with wild fermentation) but they didn't hold up to sandwich >> standards, tended to fall apart.?They did a lot better when I mixed some >> Montana grown wheat in?which did improve the flavor quite a bit but adding >> adjuncts or other flour types (beans potatoes, other grains like rye etc) >> ?became problematic.? Now I've used some of these same wheat varieties grown >> in places like Montana and Kansas and they contained more than enough gluten >> to make a great sandwich loaf, even with some limited adjuncts,?so my only >> conclusion is that the negative Data concerning growing hard wheats in a >> humid environment must have merit.? Unfortunately I haven't been able to get >> any heirloom hard wheat of French or other Humid area?origins but even those >> areas aren't as humid as we are as far as I know.??I went to the OOEFA >> conference and attended a class that were supposedly about?heritage wheat but >> no mention was given them except when I asked questions, even then I got very >> little information about them except a few names of?locally developed >> heirloom soft wheat varieties like Logan that?I already knew about.? Bottom >> line is I put that idea on hold for a while but thought I'd post >> my?impressions in case somebody else was considering it.? >> ? >> So?my impression at this point, although I've not yet given up, is that >> growing a good quality hard bread wheat in Ohio is a lot like chasing >> unicorns only to find out they are Rhinos.? Doesn't mean there isn't good >> wheat grown here, just not the bread kind.? That said, if anybody has >> evidence to the contrary I'd be very glad to hear it and eat my words.?? >> ? >> For some reason I always seem to be the person asking questions nobody has >> the answer to, Oh well.? Not sure if that means I'm in the front or out to >> lunch LOL.? I guess I'm one of those "outside the box" people but it keeps >> life interesting. >> ? >> Anyway right now I'm busy with dairy goats, bottle feeding, milking >> dehorning, castrating etc Not to mention cleaning out the stalls I've been >> putting off all winter. Sold some yearling weathers for slaughter this week, >> It has to be done I guess but?it always bothers me.? I did sell some bucks >> for breeding though and its nice to see them go to a good place, part of the >> reason I always get good registered stock.? >> ? >> I'm also?rebuilding my transmission after my U-joints went bad and cracked >> the transmission housing, turns out its a very common problem with these >> Chevy trucks with Allison transmissions.? Bad design, they didn't bother to >> brace the transfer case so when the U-joints go bad it shakes enough to crack >> the clutch housing which GM wants $800 for but you can get them from places >> like Amazon and E-bay for about $400, of course there are gaskets, fluids and >> special tools you have to get to work on the darn thing..? Another problem >> that ALWAYS happens to these trucks sooner or later is that the transfer >> case?pump body, which is aircraft aluminum, rubs on the transfer case housing >> wearing a hole in it eventually (because the housing is made of softer >> magnesium).? You can get aftermarket pump rub kits to fix this which only >> cost about $70?including everything you need except the tools and?transfer >> case oil?but it the housing already has a hole in it you have to buy a new >> housing costing a lot more.??Of course that cost assumes you can do the work >> yourself.? Sorry to mention this here but these trucks are very common and it >> will save you a LOT of money if you can get ahead of these problems which >> WILL?occur if you don't do something about them early.? I guess it is a farm >> truck though LOL >> ? >> Well better get back to cleaning stalls or it will never get done. 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Of course, breads were less fluffy then. On 4/8/2016 7:40 PM, Ken Bezilla wrote: > I know a Georgia farmer who grows Turkey Red hard winter wheat, and > they're selling it to bakeries for bread making, so they're growing > wheat that's good for baking in a real hot and humid area. > > Ken Bezilla > central VA > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. 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From: "Road's End Farm" > To: "Market Farming" > Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 11:25:34 AM Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question On Apr 8, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Mike Rock wrote: 36 degrees here is SW Wisconsin and snowing to beat the band. Here it's mid-30's and can't make up its mind whether it's snowing, cloudy, or even popping out a bit of sun. It's definitely windy, though. Congratulations on the red pigs (look out for red heifers, though!) But while we're on red things: what are people growing for an utterly standard-looking round smooth large red tomato that nevertheless has at least some flavor? It needs to be fairly early. I'm still hunting for a good alternative to Big Beef. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikerock at mhtc.net Fri Apr 8 20:06:40 2016 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Heritage wheat, Facebook etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57084790.5040803@mhtc.net> Wyatt, THANK YOU FOR THE RANT!! Gosh, I wanted to say that but didn't have the background to do so with your flair and facts. Mike On 4/8/2016 3:55 PM, Wyatt Jones wrote: > Hi > Nice to see this forum active, thought it went the way of the > dinosaurs LOL. I don't like Facebook, I used to work in Internet > security and I find that place to be a huge security risk, they change > the rules without notice and sell every bit of information they get on > you without a second thought. I think its not much better than a con > game. If people knew what was really going --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikerock at mhtc.net Fri Apr 8 20:19:07 2016 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:19:07 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Heritage wheat, Facebook etc In-Reply-To: <570844DF.7010307@rhomestead.com> References: <570844DF.7010307@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <57084A7B.6090700@mhtc.net> NICE website there. I'm sure glad I posted the other day and woke this place up. Thank you all for coming back. Mike Missed everyone. The heritage wheat has my ear as I have four Meadows mills and a whole flour mill of scourers, bolters and 'stuff'. We got one of the 24" mills up a few weeks ago and it's grinding great. There is a local mill up north of here and he wants us to get all our mills running, and the bolters, as he can't begin to supply local need. He buys in organic hard red, soft white and some various heritage wheats and for now we get from him, almost at his cost. He has an old mill cleaner that really does a job on wheat out of the field. y Amish buddy is raising Einkorn for this. He has one of my mills at his place. We ground corn first on it. Regular old Farm and Fleet feed corn. I gave some to a lady and she flipped out about the fresh flavor. Made bread and grits/polenta out of it. Making a stainless and wood bagging set up now. Getting my self rising mixer, wooden, back from Alabama soon. It's been in storage down there for several years, just haven't made the trip since I bought it. Mike On 4/8/2016 6:55 PM, Beth Spaugh wrote: > There is an active heritage wheat/artisan bakers group in Vermont/New > York. http://www.growseed.org/index3.html is a contact. New England > was the breadbasket of the US before westward expansion. Of course, > breads were less fluffy then. > > On 4/8/2016 7:40 PM, Ken Bezilla wrote: >> I know a Georgia farmer who grows Turkey Red hard winter wheat, and >> they're selling it to bakeries for bread making, so they're growing >> wheat that's good for baking in a real hot and humid area. >> >> Ken Bezilla >> central VA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Market-farming mailing list >> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming >> >> Market Farming List Archives may be found here: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ >> Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email >> address and password): >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > -- > Beth Spaugh > Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY > http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead > > "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - > Wendell Berry > > "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances > Moore Lappe > > It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion > where the finish line is. - unknown > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burkholders at glenecofarm.com Fri Apr 8 20:41:23 2016 From: burkholders at glenecofarm.com (Marlin Burkholder) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 20:41:23 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Organic fertilizer in seed starting medium? In-Reply-To: <80857366.10602578.1460146355302.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> Message-ID: Looks like I have done it again! A year or too ago I posted on MF about have trouble getting seeds started after mixing an organic based fertilizer (Plant Tone I think) into potting soil I was using for seed starting and for pricking week old seedlings over into grow out flats. Plants would germinate satisfactorily, then stop growing. After a week or two of wondering why the slow to no growth I would check a few seedlings and find few to no roots. As I recall someone mentioned that plant proteins contained in some organic fertilizers can be toxic. The first time it happened about five years prior to the time I last posted about it, I had used a premixed OMRI approved ?ready to plant into? medium bought at a local garden center. Every thing I planted into that stuff failed and I got my money back when I went back to the garden center and bitched. The time I used Plant Tone I mixed according to instructions on the bag, about a 1/2 to one cup into about a cubic foot of medium. I assumed that organic materials are more forgiving of less than precise mixing procedure but apparently got bit. Last year I decided for the next go round to use nothing but chemical salt based materials, Miracle Grow or something similar, and got along better. Well guess what! I succumbed to temptation again and bought a five pound bag this spring to use in my starting mixes. You know, it had kelp, bone meal, alfalfa meal, fish meal, micorizae, several other beneficial organisms whose names I can?t remember etc.--all the good stuff, along with the promise that the plants would love it! When two seedling flats of peppers tanked, I blamed it on a small amount of germination mix I had left in an aluminum baking pan for about a week which I had used to cover seeds. The one I had covered with material other than what was in the aluminum pan did not have impressive germination, but the seeds that did come up were healthy. Then the tomato seedlings I had pricked over into to grow out flats started to go down hill. A watering with Miller?s Nutri Leaf didn?t revive them. This afternoon I repotted 180 plants into clean potting soil watered with nothing but Nutri Leaf. I will do the other half of my tomato seedlings on Monday and hope for better luck. After over 20 years of plant starting this thing is getting embarrassing and extremely frustrating. Is it wrong to use fertilizer in seed starting mix? Marlin Burkholder Virginia > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <80857366.10602578.1460146355302.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net>, Message-ID: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A96729@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________ From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Marlin Burkholder [burkholders at glenecofarm.com] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:41 PM To: Market Farming Subject: [Market-farming] Organic fertilizer in seed starting medium? Looks like I have done it again! A year or too ago I posted on MF about have trouble getting seeds started after mixing an organic based fertilizer (Plant Tone I think) into potting soil I was using for seed starting and for pricking week old seedlings over into grow out flats. Plants would germinate satisfactorily, then stop growing. After a week or two of wondering why the slow to no growth I would check a few seedlings and find few to no roots. As I recall someone mentioned that plant proteins contained in some organic fertilizers can be toxic. The first time it happened about five years prior to the time I last posted about it, I had used a premixed OMRI approved ?ready to plant into? medium bought at a local garden center. Every thing I planted into that stuff failed and I got my money back when I went back to the garden center and bitched. The time I used Plant Tone I mixed according to instructions on the bag, about a 1/2 to one cup into about a cubic foot of medium. I assumed that organic materials are more forgiving of less than precise mixing procedure but apparently got bit. Last year I decided for the next go round to use nothing but chemical salt based materials, Miracle Grow or something similar, and got along better. Well guess what! I succumbed to temptation again and bought a five pound bag this spring to use in my starting mixes. You know, it had kelp, bone meal, alfalfa meal, fish meal, micorizae, several other beneficial organisms whose names I can?t remember etc.--all the good stuff, along with the promise that the plants would love it! When two seedling flats of peppers tanked, I blamed it on a small amount of germination mix I had left in an aluminum baking pan for about a week which I had used to cover seeds. The one I had covered with material other than what was in the aluminum pan did not have impressive germination, but the seeds that did come up were healthy. Then the tomato seedlings I had pricked over into to grow out flats started to go down hill. A watering with Miller?s Nutri Leaf didn?t revive them. This afternoon I repotted 180 plants into clean potting soil watered with nothing but Nutri Leaf. I will do the other half of my tomato seedlings on Monday and hope for better luck. After over 20 years of plant starting this thing is getting embarrassing and extremely frustrating. Is it wrong to use fertilizer in seed starting mix? Marlin Burkholder Virginia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Fri Apr 8 21:02:07 2016 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 21:02:07 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Organic fertilizer in seed starting medium? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5708548F.2030803@rhomestead.com> Don't know Plant Tone, but a cup to a cubic foot sounds pretty steep. I throw in some peanut or alfalfa or soy meal. Sometimes a LITTLE of our poultry bedding (peat based but very rich). Tomatoes are pretty tough. Lettuces, never the poultry bedding. On 4/8/2016 8:41 PM, Marlin Burkholder wrote: > Organic fertilizer in seed starting medium? > Looks like I have done it again! > > A year or too ago I posted on MF about have trouble getting seeds > started after mixing an organic based fertilizer (Plant Tone I think) > into potting soil I was using for seed starting and for pricking week > old seedlings over into grow out flats. Plants would germinate > satisfactorily, then stop growing. After a week or two of wondering > why the slow to no growth I would check a few seedlings and find few > to no roots. As I recall someone mentioned that plant proteins > contained in some organic fertilizers can be toxic. > > The first time it happened about five years prior to the time I last > posted about it, I had used a premixed OMRI approved ?ready to plant > into? medium bought at a local garden center. Every thing I planted > into that stuff failed and I got my money back when I went back to the > garden center and bitched. > > The time I used Plant Tone I mixed according to instructions on the > bag, about a 1/2 to one cup into about a cubic foot of medium. I > assumed that organic materials are more forgiving of less than precise > mixing procedure but apparently got bit. Last year I decided for the > next go round to use nothing but chemical salt based materials, > Miracle Grow or something similar, and got along better. > > Well guess what! I succumbed to temptation again and bought a five > pound bag this spring to use in my starting mixes. You know, it had > kelp, bone meal, alfalfa meal, fish meal, micorizae, several other > beneficial organisms whose names I can?t remember etc.--all the good > stuff, along with the promise that the plants would love it! When two > seedling flats of peppers tanked, I blamed it on a small amount of > germination mix I had left in an aluminum baking pan for about a week > which I had used to cover seeds. The one I had covered with material > other than what was in the aluminum pan did not have impressive > germination, but the seeds that did come up were healthy. Then the > tomato seedlings I had pricked over into to grow out flats started to > go down hill. A watering with Miller?s Nutri Leaf didn?t revive them. > This afternoon I repotted 180 plants into clean potting soil watered > with nothing but Nutri Leaf. I will do the other half of my tomato > seedlings on Monday and hope for better luck. After over 20 years of > plant starting this thing is getting embarrassing and extremely > frustrating. > > Is it wrong to use fertilizer in seed starting mix? > > Marlin Burkholder > Virginia > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wshoemak at illinois.edu Fri Apr 8 21:05:06 2016 From: wshoemak at illinois.edu (Shoemaker, William H) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 01:05:06 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] Organic fertilizer in seed starting medium? In-Reply-To: References: <80857366.10602578.1460146355302.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net>, Message-ID: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A9673E@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> Sorry about the previous post with nothing in it. Hit the wrong key with my left finger. Marlin, one of the things I was taught as an undergrad in horticulture is that most seeds have all the nutrition they need to develop into an established seedling. That means a plant with leaves that are fully engaged in photosynthesis, probably the 4-leaf stage. So if you have a good growing medium that has very little nutrition in it, say 75% peat moss + 15% vermiculite + 10% rice hulls, your healthy seeds should produce healthy seedlings. That said, some good fertility applied before they reach this stage will be taken up and used when they reach this stage, and will help the seedlings continue to grow well into healthy, mature transplants. A compost tea applied at the two-leaf stage should be planty (sorry, I like puns). So I wouldn't invest too much in fertility in the growing media itself, unless it is compost you use as part of your growing medium. I do like that approach because compost slowly releases nutrients in a steady stream, creating a sustainable flow of whole nutrition to your young plants. It also establishes a microbe biome in the medium which goes to the field with your plants. So I came to believe that what I learned as an undergrad was true. Fresh seeds are powerhouses designed to get the seedling into an established state without outside support. But once developed into a real seedling, they need, and benefit from that support. Isn't Spring wonderful?!! Bill William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________ From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Marlin Burkholder [burkholders at glenecofarm.com] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:41 PM To: Market Farming Subject: [Market-farming] Organic fertilizer in seed starting medium? Looks like I have done it again! A year or too ago I posted on MF about have trouble getting seeds started after mixing an organic based fertilizer (Plant Tone I think) into potting soil I was using for seed starting and for pricking week old seedlings over into grow out flats. Plants would germinate satisfactorily, then stop growing. After a week or two of wondering why the slow to no growth I would check a few seedlings and find few to no roots. As I recall someone mentioned that plant proteins contained in some organic fertilizers can be toxic. The first time it happened about five years prior to the time I last posted about it, I had used a premixed OMRI approved ?ready to plant into? medium bought at a local garden center. Every thing I planted into that stuff failed and I got my money back when I went back to the garden center and bitched. The time I used Plant Tone I mixed according to instructions on the bag, about a 1/2 to one cup into about a cubic foot of medium. I assumed that organic materials are more forgiving of less than precise mixing procedure but apparently got bit. Last year I decided for the next go round to use nothing but chemical salt based materials, Miracle Grow or something similar, and got along better. Well guess what! I succumbed to temptation again and bought a five pound bag this spring to use in my starting mixes. You know, it had kelp, bone meal, alfalfa meal, fish meal, micorizae, several other beneficial organisms whose names I can?t remember etc.--all the good stuff, along with the promise that the plants would love it! When two seedling flats of peppers tanked, I blamed it on a small amount of germination mix I had left in an aluminum baking pan for about a week which I had used to cover seeds. The one I had covered with material other than what was in the aluminum pan did not have impressive germination, but the seeds that did come up were healthy. Then the tomato seedlings I had pricked over into to grow out flats started to go down hill. A watering with Miller?s Nutri Leaf didn?t revive them. This afternoon I repotted 180 plants into clean potting soil watered with nothing but Nutri Leaf. I will do the other half of my tomato seedlings on Monday and hope for better luck. After over 20 years of plant starting this thing is getting embarrassing and extremely frustrating. Is it wrong to use fertilizer in seed starting mix? Marlin Burkholder Virginia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at songberry.ca Fri Apr 8 21:34:53 2016 From: rob at songberry.ca (Rob Wallbridge) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 21:34:53 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Organic fertilizer in seed starting medium? In-Reply-To: References: <80857366.10602578.1460146355302.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> Message-ID: Hi Marlin, My guess is that you're dealing with high soluble salts (EC) and/or ammonia levels. More info here: http://www.uvm.edu/vtvegandberry/factsheets/pottingmix.html Cheers, Rob On Apr 8, 2016 8:41 PM, "Marlin Burkholder" wrote: > > Looks like I have done it again! > > A year or too ago I posted on MF about have trouble getting seeds started > after mixing an organic based fertilizer (Plant Tone I think) into potting > soil I was using for seed starting and for pricking week old seedlings over > into grow out flats. Plants would germinate satisfactorily, then stop > growing. After a week or two of wondering why the slow to no growth I > would check a few seedlings and find few to no roots. As I recall someone > mentioned that plant proteins contained in some organic fertilizers can be > toxic. > > The first time it happened about five years prior to the time I last > posted about it, I had used a premixed OMRI approved ?ready to plant into? > medium bought at a local garden center. Every thing I planted into that > stuff failed and I got my money back when I went back to the garden center > and bitched. > > The time I used Plant Tone I mixed according to instructions on the bag, > about a 1/2 to one cup into about a cubic foot of medium. I assumed that > organic materials are more forgiving of less than precise mixing procedure > but apparently got bit. Last year I decided for the next go round to use > nothing but chemical salt based materials, Miracle Grow or something > similar, and got along better. > > Well guess what! I succumbed to temptation again and bought a five pound > bag this spring to use in my starting mixes. You know, it had kelp, bone > meal, alfalfa meal, fish meal, micorizae, several other beneficial > organisms whose names I can?t remember etc.--all the good stuff, along with > the promise that the plants would love it! When two seedling flats of > peppers tanked, I blamed it on a small amount of germination mix I had left > in an aluminum baking pan for about a week which I had used to cover > seeds. The one I had covered with material other than what was in the > aluminum pan did not have impressive germination, but the seeds that did > come up were healthy. Then the tomato seedlings I had pricked over into to > grow out flats started to go down hill. A watering with Miller?s Nutri > Leaf didn?t revive them. This afternoon I repotted 180 plants into clean > potting soil watered with nothing but Nutri Leaf. I will do the other half > of my tomato seedlings on Monday and hope for better luck. After over 20 > years of plant starting this thing is getting embarrassing and extremely > frustrating. > > Is it wrong to use fertilizer in seed starting mix? > > Marlin Burkholder > Virginia > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A9673E@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <80857366.10602578.1460146355302.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A9673E@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <5708720D.3020202@mhtc.net> Thank you Bill, What about Elliot Coleman's soil block mix? It worked for blocks but how about just starter media? On 4/8/2016 8:05 PM, Shoemaker, William H wrote: > Sorry about the previous post with nothing in it. Hit the wrong key > with my left finger. > > Marlin, one of the things I was taught as an undergrad in horticulture > is that most seeds have all the nutrition they need to develop into an > established seedling. That means a plant with leaves that are fully > engaged in photosynthesis, probably the 4-leaf stage. So if you have a > good growing medium that has very little nutrition in it, say 75% peat > moss + 15% vermiculite + 10% rice hulls, your healthy seeds should > produce healthy seedlings. That said, some good fertility applied > before they reach this stage will be taken up and used when they reach > this stage, and will help the seedlings continue to grow well into > healthy, mature transplants. A compost tea applied at the two-leaf > stage should be planty (sorry, I like puns). So I wouldn't invest too > much in fertility in the growing media itself, unless it is compost > you use as part of your growing medium. I do like that approach > because compost slowly releases nutrients in a steady stream, creating > a sustainable flow of whole nutrition to your young plants. It also > establishes a microbe biome in the medium which goes to the field with > your plants. > > So I came to believe that what I learned as an undergrad was true. > Fresh seeds are powerhouses designed to get the seedling into an > established state without outside support. But once developed into a > real seedling, they need, and benefit from that support. > > Isn't Spring wonderful?!! > > Bill > > *William H. Shoemaker * > > /Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist/ > > /University of Illinois/ > > wshoemak at illinois.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wshoemak at illinois.edu Sat Apr 9 11:07:34 2016 From: wshoemak at illinois.edu (Shoemaker, William H) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 15:07:34 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] Organic fertilizer in seed starting medium? In-Reply-To: <5708720D.3020202@mhtc.net> References: <80857366.10602578.1460146355302.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A9673E@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu>, <5708720D.3020202@mhtc.net> Message-ID: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A9679F@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> It should, but it may be "heavy" in plug trays. But it really depends on what materials you use for it. I'd be inclined to try it. Bill William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________ From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Mike Rock [mikerock at mhtc.net] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 10:07 PM To: Market Farming Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Organic fertilizer in seed starting medium? Thank you Bill, What about Elliot Coleman's soil block mix? It worked for blocks but how about just starter media? On 4/8/2016 8:05 PM, Shoemaker, William H wrote: Sorry about the previous post with nothing in it. Hit the wrong key with my left finger. Marlin, one of the things I was taught as an undergrad in horticulture is that most seeds have all the nutrition they need to develop into an established seedling. That means a plant with leaves that are fully engaged in photosynthesis, probably the 4-leaf stage. So if you have a good growing medium that has very little nutrition in it, say 75% peat moss + 15% vermiculite + 10% rice hulls, your healthy seeds should produce healthy seedlings. That said, some good fertility applied before they reach this stage will be taken up and used when they reach this stage, and will help the seedlings continue to grow well into healthy, mature transplants. A compost tea applied at the two-leaf stage should be planty (sorry, I like puns). So I wouldn't invest too much in fertility in the growing media itself, unless it is compost you use as part of your growing medium. I do like that approach because compost slowly releases nutrients in a steady stream, creating a sustainable flow of whole nutrition to your young plants. It also establishes a microbe biome in the medium which goes to the field with your plants. So I came to believe that what I learned as an undergrad was true. Fresh seeds are powerhouses designed to get the seedling into an established state without outside support. But once developed into a real seedling, they need, and benefit from that support. Isn't Spring wonderful?!! Bill William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________ [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/2016/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-border-v1.png] Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrea.m.davis at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 12:17:33 2016 From: andrea.m.davis at gmail.com (andrea davis-cetina) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 09:17:33 -0700 Subject: [Market-farming] tomatoes In-Reply-To: <298013CC-CD3C-4714-B9A2-591318F8176F@frontiernet.net> References: <2106777040.80265613.1460153024682.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> <298013CC-CD3C-4714-B9A2-591318F8176F@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: My favorite standard reds are Cosmonaut Volkov Glacier Andrea Quarter Acre Farm enjoying some rain Sonoma, CA On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Road's End Farm wrote: > > On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:03 PM, eglatyne at tds.net wrote: > > Hello all, I miss you and all your good advice. I know it's not red, but a > bright pink and it is an heirloom out of this world flavor. Is is the > Dester Tomato from seed exchange, oh and it is early too for a big tomato. > I grew some of the indigo tomatoes and they didn't taste good to me either > Carol Thomas, Sweet Briar Herb Farm, Onalaska, WA > > > Good to see you here too! people are popping out of the woodwork. Guess we > just needed somebody to get started. > > I grow several heirlooms -- I haven't tried Dester and it does sound > interesting. But for a large pink heirloom with great flavor I've already > got Brandywine and Mrs. Horst's Oxheart. Some of my customers however want > Standard Round Bright Red No Odd Shapes. I'd like to have something for > them that at least tastes decent enough that I'm not embarrassed to have it > on the stand. > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 9 13:14:07 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 13:14:07 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Heritage wheat, Facebook etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <922CC9B5-3078-4DDD-B3C6-C616C78DD77D@frontiernet.net> On Apr 8, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Wyatt Jones wrote: > From my research I had concerns that the humid weather here wouldn't produce good bread wheat as there is quite a bit of evidence that Hard bread wheats grown in humid environments end up producing low gluten wheat similar to soft wheat that makes decent cake flour but not so great bread flour. FWIW, I've had some very good bread made from flours grown in New York State. I don't know what strain the wheat was, though. -- and I do think the Chevy truck problems material's relevant to the thread; I expect most of us have trucks, and if nothing else occasionally have to either fix them or decide what to get to replace them. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 9 13:44:54 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 13:44:54 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question In-Reply-To: <2D6E2D50-9A19-4F98-9584-542FA5037671@rootsfarm.info> References: <80857366.10602578.1460146355302.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> <2D6E2D50-9A19-4F98-9584-542FA5037671@rootsfarm.info> Message-ID: <4DBE8D95-3C29-4988-A8F4-0D376AD91948@frontiernet.net> On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Roots Farm wrote: > 2nd Goliath hybrid. Does well even in tropics without sacrificing taste, > > Karen > > On Apr 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, gofish54 at centurytel.net wrote: > > For an indeterminate, I like Goliath hybrid. For determinate, Red Deuce or BHN 589. > Interesting. How does Goliath do up north? (gofish, where are you?) On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:49 PM, GarlicGrower wrote: > Hi, Folks! > > Zhong Shu #6 is a stereotypical round red tomato that tastes like people expect a tomato to taste. Unfortunately, it is late season. But if anyone wants seeds, email me directly with your address and I?ll send you some. > > Dorene > Thanks; but late season isn't what I'm looking for on this. It may work nicely for others, though. On Apr 9, 2016, at 12:17 PM, andrea davis-cetina wrote: > My favorite standard reds are > Cosmonaut Volkov > Glacier > > Andrea > > Quarter Acre Farm enjoying some rain > Sonoma, CA Also interesting. High Mowing catalog says Cosmonaut Volkov is prone to cracking and has green shoulders. Is that true in your experience? -- the Fedco picture you linked to does seem to show green shoulders. Glacier's saladette size, according to descriptions, not full sized slicer; and apparently also has green shoulders. -- What I'll be trialling this year will be Mountain Merit and Ruth's Perfect; but of course I don't know yet whether either of those will work out. I'm dubious about the flavor descriptions of Mountain Merit; but a friend of mine in the area grew it last year and said it wasn't up to the heirlooms but was pretty good. IME tomato flavor depends a whole lot on the specific site, also. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 9 14:44:46 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 14:44:46 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] seed germinating problems In-Reply-To: <000401d1920c$e3156cb0$a9404610$@mhtc.net> References: <000401d1920c$e3156cb0$a9404610$@mhtc.net> Message-ID: <5EB05559-7DA2-4A29-844B-D3CAFAA3ECC1@frontiernet.net> On Apr 8, 2016, at 11:07 PM, Carol W Larsen wrote: > We use Vermont Compost Fort-V exclusively for seed starting and our experience has been superior. I've been using McEnroe potting soil for years now. That's also a compost based mix (I expect the Vermont Compost is also good, but I have a slightly easier time getting the McEnroe mix). I don't add any nutrients until, in most cases, around six weeks; and then I use a fish emulsion/seaweed mix from Saltwater Farms. I don't sterilize trays and inserts between uses, with the live compost mixes; I just wash them out with plain water. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burkholders at glenecofarm.com Sat Apr 9 15:22:21 2016 From: burkholders at glenecofarm.com (Marlin Burkholder) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 15:22:21 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] tomatoes In-Reply-To: <2106777040.80265613.1460153024682.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> Message-ID: While on the tomato variety topic I must mention "Blosser", a nice pink slicer which seemed to originate in the Shenandoah Valley. I have grown it for years, occasionally having some issues with orange or potato leafed off types. I have not had much luck introducing it to other seed purveyors. Baker Creek had it offered in their catalog for one year after I had sent them some seed. I wonder what happened. On 4/8/16 6:03 PM, "eglatyne at tds.net" wrote: > Hello all, I miss you and all your good advice. I know it's not red, but a > bright pink and it is an heirloom out of this world flavor. Is is the Dester > Tomato from seed exchange, oh and it is early too for a big tomato. I grew > some of the indigo tomatoes and they didn't taste good to me either Carol > Thomas, Sweet Briar Herb Farm, Onalaska, WA > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming From gofish54 at centurytel.net Sat Apr 9 16:25:34 2016 From: gofish54 at centurytel.net (gofish54 at centurytel.net) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 16:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question In-Reply-To: <4DBE8D95-3C29-4988-A8F4-0D376AD91948@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <691088217.11452251.1460233534078.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> We are in NW Missouri 30 miles east of St Joseph.? Zone 5b.? Goliath hybrid is marketed as a northern tomato, it is tough and tastes great.? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Road's End Farm" To: "Market Farming" Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 12:44:54 PM Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Roots Farm wrote: 2nd Goliath hybrid. ?Does well even in tropics without sacrificing taste, ? Karen On Apr 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, gofish54 at centurytel.net wrote: For an indeterminate, I like Goliath hybrid.? For determinate, Red Deuce or BHN 589. Interesting. How does Goliath do up north? (gofish, where are you?) On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:49 PM, GarlicGrower wrote:
Hi, Folks! Zhong Shu #6 is a stereotypical round red tomato that tastes like people expect a tomato to taste.? Unfortunately, it is late season.? But if anyone wants seeds, email me directly with your address and I?ll send? you some. ? Dorene ?
Thanks; but late season isn't what I'm looking for on this. It may work nicely for others, though. On Apr 9, 2016, at 12:17 PM, andrea davis-cetina wrote:
My favorite standard reds are Cosmonaut Volkov Glacier Andrea Quarter Acre Farm enjoying some rain Sonoma, CA
Also interesting. High Mowing catalog says Cosmonaut Volkov is prone to cracking and has green shoulders. Is that true in your experience? -- the Fedco picture you linked to does seem to show green shoulders. Glacier's saladette size, according to descriptions, not full sized slicer; and apparently also has green shoulders. -- What I'll be trialling this year will be? Mountain Merit ?and? Ruth's Perfect ; but of course I don't know yet whether either of those will work out. I'm dubious about the flavor descriptions of Mountain Merit; but a friend of mine in the area grew it last year and said it wasn't up to the heirlooms but was pretty good. IME tomato flavor depends a whole lot on the specific site, also. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 9 17:55:46 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 17:55:46 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question In-Reply-To: <691088217.11452251.1460233534078.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> References: <691088217.11452251.1460233534078.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <067F136F-3172-49C9-ACD9-F13E202057E0@frontiernet.net> On Apr 9, 2016, at 4:25 PM, gofish54 at centurytel.net wrote: > We are in NW Missouri 30 miles east of St Joseph. Zone 5b. Goliath hybrid is marketed as a northern tomato, it is tough and tastes great. Do you mean that it's tough as in it stands up to weather, or it's tough as in it has tough skin and/or hard texture? -- are you up in the hills? 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It is my first slicer ready but as the season continues to get hotter those original plants will start to produce smaller tomatoes until it cools down again in the fall then they size up again. I also sell these as seedlings to home gardeners and the locals always come back saying how much they love the flavors and production of the plants. Hope this helps ;) Andrea Quarter Acre Farm Sonoma, CA rainy day filled with greenhouse work On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: > > On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Roots Farm wrote: > > 2nd Goliath hybrid. Does well even in tropics without sacrificing taste, > > Karen > > On Apr 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, gofish54 at centurytel.net wrote: > > For an indeterminate, I like Goliath hybrid. For determinate, Red Deuce > or BHN 589. > > > Interesting. How does Goliath do up north? (gofish, where are you?) > > On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:49 PM, GarlicGrower wrote: > > Hi, Folks! > > Zhong Shu #6 is a stereotypical round red tomato that tastes like people > expect a tomato to taste. Unfortunately, it is late season. But if anyone > wants seeds, email me directly with your address and I?ll send you some. > > Dorene > > > > Thanks; but late season isn't what I'm looking for on this. It may work > nicely for others, though. > > > On Apr 9, 2016, at 12:17 PM, andrea davis-cetina wrote: > > My favorite standard reds are > Cosmonaut Volkov > Glacier > > Andrea > > Quarter Acre Farm enjoying some rain > Sonoma, CA > > > Also interesting. > > High Mowing catalog says Cosmonaut Volkov is prone to cracking and has > green shoulders. Is that true in your experience? -- the Fedco picture you > linked to does seem to show green shoulders. > > Glacier's saladette size, according to descriptions, not full sized > slicer; and apparently also has green shoulders. > > -- What I'll be trialling this year will be Mountain Merit > and Ruth's Perfect > ; but of course I > don't know yet whether either of those will work out. I'm dubious about the > flavor descriptions of Mountain Merit; but a friend of mine in the area > grew it last year and said it wasn't up to the heirlooms but was pretty > good. IME tomato flavor depends a whole lot on the specific site, also. > > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrw601 at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 21:52:25 2016 From: mrw601 at gmail.com (Mark Weinheimer) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 21:52:25 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] seed germinating problems Message-ID: We, too, use McEnroe's potting soil. We used Vermont Compost for several > years, with very good results, but switched to McEnroe after the cost of VC > became prohibitive, both for the material and the trucking, (McE is closer > to us than VC). We find the McEnroe material holds out a bit longer, > before needing supplemental feeding. With both materials, we have been > adding Worm Power vermicompost. With both mixes, it seems to reduce > damping off problems. We use 1 part WP to 12 parts potting soil. We have > seen some reduced germination for salt intolerant species, but not too > bad. Both VC and McE have been excellent for us, with a slight preference > for McE, which is better screened and seems to hold transplants a bit > longer. We have found McE a bit easier to deal with when sending truckers > there, and more receptive to resolving difficulties. > Regarding tomatoe varieties, We use Mountain Merit for its LB resistence. It's a good tomato with acceptable flavor, that saved our tomato season, a few years back. It's a good standard commercial type tomato, with good yields. We have also gone back to Jet Stars, My primary variety, when I farmed in the 70's. Great flavor, great yields, when LB doesn't strike early. and extreme vigor. JS outyielded all the high priced greenhouse varieties, in the tunnel, last year. we like Polbig for an early tomato. It yields well, has good sized fruit, for an early tomato, and fair flavor. Not always altogether round., often slightly pointed blossom ends. Still the best early tomato I've grown. Mark Weinheimer Farm Manager Regional Food Bank of NENY 965 Albany-Shaker Road Latham, NY 12110 (518) 339-5726 (518) 786-3691 (518) 786-3004 Fax www.regionalfoodbank.net https://www.facebook.com/PatroonLandFarm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Sun Apr 10 13:48:53 2016 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 13:48:53 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] row cover Message-ID: <570A9205.5090103@rhomestead.com> Need more row cover for the field. I remember folks had at least one brand they felt held up better than agribon, but can't find my notes. Suggestions? -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown From elainegranata at msn.com Sun Apr 10 15:25:08 2016 From: elainegranata at msn.com (elaine granata) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 13:25:08 -0600 Subject: [Market-farming] row cover In-Reply-To: <570A9205.5090103@rhomestead.com> References: <570A9205.5090103@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: I ordered Agribon+ for the first time this spring and am not liking the water penetration. In the past I ordered from Robert Marvel, and liked it better than Agribon, but since this is my first time with agribon don't know which of them has greater durability. I know I've used the Robert Marvel stuff a couple of seasons for full protection then just as shade and transplant protection with holes in it for at least another year. Elaine Denver -----Original Message----- From: Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Beth Spaugh Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:49 AM To: Market Farming Subject: [Market-farming] row cover Need more row cover for the field. I remember folks had at least one brand they felt held up better than agribon, but can't find my notes. Suggestions? -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming From lists at rhomestead.com Sun Apr 10 15:33:45 2016 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 15:33:45 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] row cover In-Reply-To: References: <570A9205.5090103@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <570AAA99.6080500@rhomestead.com> Thank you. Both Covertan and Robert Marvel ring bells, but I couldn't pull the names out of memory. Marvel's price is a little lower. On 4/10/2016 3:25 PM, elaine granata wrote: > I ordered Agribon+ for the first time this spring and am not liking the > water penetration. In the past I ordered from Robert Marvel, and liked it > better than Agribon, but since this is my first time with agribon don't know > which of them has greater durability. I know I've used the Robert Marvel > stuff a couple of seasons for full protection then just as shade and > transplant protection with holes in it for at least another year. > > Elaine > Denver > > -----Original Message----- > From: Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On > Behalf Of Beth Spaugh > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:49 AM > To: Market Farming > Subject: [Market-farming] row cover > > Need more row cover for the field. I remember folks had at least one brand > they felt held up better than agribon, but can't find my notes. > Suggestions? > > -- > Beth Spaugh > Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY > http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead > > "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - > Wendell Berry > > "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances > Moore Lappe > > It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion > where the finish line is. - unknown > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sun Apr 10 15:43:28 2016 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 15:43:28 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] row cover In-Reply-To: <570A9205.5090103@rhomestead.com> References: <570A9205.5090103@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: On Apr 10, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Beth Spaugh wrote: > Need more row cover for the field. I remember folks had at least one brand they felt held up better than agribon, but can't find my notes. Suggestions? I've got some made by Bluefire that I like better than the agribon -- it's a bit stretchier, and doesn't tear as easily. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gofish54 at centurytel.net Sun Apr 10 18:10:17 2016 From: gofish54 at centurytel.net (gofish54 at centurytel.net) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question In-Reply-To: <067F136F-3172-49C9-ACD9-F13E202057E0@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <148381993.12207602.1460326217566.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> Tough as in takes inclement weather well.? It is not completely crack resistant if watering is up and down.? Our average frost dates are May 1-10 and October 11-20.? Freeze dates are April 15 and October 18.? We are in the plains area of? Missouri with rolling hills.? Lots of industrial wind towers around here.? - Hope this helps - mac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Road's End Farm" To: "Market Farming" Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 4:55:46 PM Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Snowing! and another tomato question On Apr 9, 2016, at 4:25 PM, gofish54 at centurytel.net wrote: We are in NW Missouri 30 miles east of St Joseph.? Zone 5b.? Goliath hybrid is marketed as a northern tomato, it is tough and tastes great.? ? Do you mean that it's tough as in it stands up to weather, or it's tough as in it has tough skin and/or hard texture? -- are you up in the hills? I think of Missouri as considerably warmer than here! -- what's your usual spring and fall frost free dates? -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davepays at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 22:13:45 2016 From: davepays at gmail.com (David Paysnick) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 22:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] row cover In-Reply-To: References: <570A9205.5090103@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: Rivka, what's your source for the bluefire product? I'm in western MA > On Apr 10, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Road's End Farm wrote: > > >> On Apr 10, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Beth Spaugh wrote: >> >> Need more row cover for the field. I remember folks had at least one brand they felt held up better than agribon, but can't find my notes. Suggestions? > > > I've got some made by Bluefire that I like better than the agribon -- it's a bit stretchier, and doesn't tear as easily. > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kakerby at aol.com Mon Apr 11 16:50:20 2016 From: kakerby at aol.com (Kathryn Kerby) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:50:20 -0700 Subject: [Market-farming] rooting rosemary cuttings Message-ID: <05ab01d19433$c450fd20$4cf2f760$@aol.com> I had something of a plant emergency over the weekend. A dearly departed friend had a magnificent healthy rosemary out in her yard, and I had talked to her husband about taking cuttings from it before he removed it from the landscape. I was even trying to come up with a way to safely remove the entire plant and replant it here. So imagine my dismay when we showed up at the house on Saturday and found that he'd already hacked off all the branches that morning, tossed them on the yard waste pile, and saved me one limp sprig. I fished all the branches out of the yard waste pile and brought them home and I'm going to try to take cuttings anyway. Ideally I would have taken a cutting, put it right into rooting hormone and then either into water or into moist soil. I've been trying to figure out about how best to proceed given that they were cut 48-72hrs ago. It's been in the 40's to 60's here the last few days, with moderate humidity, so maybe they haven't dried out yet? I was able to get some of the branches and/or cuttings into water within a few hours of being cut, but most of the branches had to wait at least a day or two before getting any water. So, my questions: 1. Should I even bother trying to take cuttings from the branches which didn't get water for 24-48hrs? I can always just "harvest" those sprigs as herbs instead. 2. For the cuttings which I did get into water right away, some of the branches were a lot longer than the recommended 3" - 6" lengths. I was planning to cut them back to that ideal length, then maybe soaking them overnight and then dipping in rooting hormone prior to planting. Would that help restore some of the water to the cuttings, and give them a better chance? 3. I did read one online source about starting rosemary cuttings in water, and changing the water each day. Would that perhaps be a better approach for these cuttings, since they didn't get into water right away? Any suggestions would be welcome. I really wanted to propagate that plant into as many cuttings as I could, so seeing those branches laying there on the yard waste pile was quite a blow. I hope it's not too late to get some cuttings to root. Kathryn Kerby Frogchorusfarm.com Snohomish, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wshoemak at illinois.edu Mon Apr 11 21:28:19 2016 From: wshoemak at illinois.edu (Shoemaker, William H) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 01:28:19 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] rooting rosemary cuttings In-Reply-To: <05ab01d19433$c450fd20$4cf2f760$@aol.com> References: <05ab01d19433$c450fd20$4cf2f760$@aol.com> Message-ID: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A96991@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> If they're long, cutting them back may help. Make a fresh cut at the base end, then proceed with rooting hormone and setting them in a good moist medium. William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________ From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Kathryn Kerby [kakerby at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 3:50 PM To: 'Market Farming' Subject: [Market-farming] rooting rosemary cuttings I had something of a plant emergency over the weekend. A dearly departed friend had a magnificent healthy rosemary out in her yard, and I had talked to her husband about taking cuttings from it before he removed it from the landscape. I was even trying to come up with a way to safely remove the entire plant and replant it here. So imagine my dismay when we showed up at the house on Saturday and found that he?d already hacked off all the branches that morning, tossed them on the yard waste pile, and saved me one limp sprig. I fished all the branches out of the yard waste pile and brought them home and I?m going to try to take cuttings anyway. Ideally I would have taken a cutting, put it right into rooting hormone and then either into water or into moist soil. I?ve been trying to figure out about how best to proceed given that they were cut 48-72hrs ago. It?s been in the 40?s to 60?s here the last few days, with moderate humidity, so maybe they haven?t dried out yet? I was able to get some of the branches and/or cuttings into water within a few hours of being cut, but most of the branches had to wait at least a day or two before getting any water. So, my questions: 1. Should I even bother trying to take cuttings from the branches which didn?t get water for 24-48hrs? I can always just ?harvest? those sprigs as herbs instead. 2. For the cuttings which I did get into water right away, some of the branches were a lot longer than the recommended 3? ? 6? lengths. I was planning to cut them back to that ideal length, then maybe soaking them overnight and then dipping in rooting hormone prior to planting. Would that help restore some of the water to the cuttings, and give them a better chance? 3. I did read one online source about starting rosemary cuttings in water, and changing the water each day. Would that perhaps be a better approach for these cuttings, since they didn?t get into water right away? Any suggestions would be welcome. I really wanted to propagate that plant into as many cuttings as I could, so seeing those branches laying there on the yard waste pile was quite a blow. I hope it?s not too late to get some cuttings to root. Kathryn Kerby Frogchorusfarm.com Snohomish, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wshoemak at illinois.edu Mon Apr 11 21:31:37 2016 From: wshoemak at illinois.edu (Shoemaker, William H) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 01:31:37 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] rooting rosemary cuttings In-Reply-To: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A96991@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <05ab01d19433$c450fd20$4cf2f760$@aol.com>, <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A96991@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A969A1@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> I meant to say more but accidently sent it. It might be good to use a humidity tent, which is nothing more than a clean plastic bag inflated over the pot or tray. Inflated is an exaggeration. It can be suspended with a wire frame for the same effect. It minimizes the demand for moisture and gives the cuttings a much better chance to root. Bill William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________ From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Shoemaker, William H [wshoemak at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:28 PM To: Market Farming Subject: Re: [Market-farming] rooting rosemary cuttings If they're long, cutting them back may help. Make a fresh cut at the base end, then proceed with rooting hormone and setting them in a good moist medium. William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________ From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Kathryn Kerby [kakerby at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 3:50 PM To: 'Market Farming' Subject: [Market-farming] rooting rosemary cuttings I had something of a plant emergency over the weekend. A dearly departed friend had a magnificent healthy rosemary out in her yard, and I had talked to her husband about taking cuttings from it before he removed it from the landscape. I was even trying to come up with a way to safely remove the entire plant and replant it here. So imagine my dismay when we showed up at the house on Saturday and found that he?d already hacked off all the branches that morning, tossed them on the yard waste pile, and saved me one limp sprig. I fished all the branches out of the yard waste pile and brought them home and I?m going to try to take cuttings anyway. Ideally I would have taken a cutting, put it right into rooting hormone and then either into water or into moist soil. I?ve been trying to figure out about how best to proceed given that they were cut 48-72hrs ago. It?s been in the 40?s to 60?s here the last few days, with moderate humidity, so maybe they haven?t dried out yet? I was able to get some of the branches and/or cuttings into water within a few hours of being cut, but most of the branches had to wait at least a day or two before getting any water. So, my questions: 1. Should I even bother trying to take cuttings from the branches which didn?t get water for 24-48hrs? I can always just ?harvest? those sprigs as herbs instead. 2. For the cuttings which I did get into water right away, some of the branches were a lot longer than the recommended 3? ? 6? lengths. I was planning to cut them back to that ideal length, then maybe soaking them overnight and then dipping in rooting hormone prior to planting. Would that help restore some of the water to the cuttings, and give them a better chance? 3. I did read one online source about starting rosemary cuttings in water, and changing the water each day. Would that perhaps be a better approach for these cuttings, since they didn?t get into water right away? Any suggestions would be welcome. I really wanted to propagate that plant into as many cuttings as I could, so seeing those branches laying there on the yard waste pile was quite a blow. I hope it?s not too late to get some cuttings to root. Kathryn Kerby Frogchorusfarm.com Snohomish, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregory.strella at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 06:30:05 2016 From: gregory.strella at gmail.com (Gregory Strella) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 06:30:05 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] rooting rosemary cuttings In-Reply-To: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A969A1@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <05ab01d19433$c450fd20$4cf2f760$@aol.com> <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A96991@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A969A1@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: Rosemary is a reliable rooter for us. I was once talking to a woman who was propagating herbs at a large certified organic nursery in Maryland and asking her questions about the art and science of plant propagation. She was gently letting me know that I was over thinking things and to make her point she turned around and showed me the back of her nursery shirt which read, ''Just stick it.'' There were a millions of newly propagated plants in trays on the floor behind her (that's not an exaggeration) so I relaxed into her advice. We are only propagating a few times each year, but when we are working with rosemary, lavender, thyme, and the like we simply cut 2'' pieces, strip the bottom inch of leaves, stick the into whichever 1020 insert we have on hand and keep them moist, but not soaked (misting system, spray bottle, humidity dome have all worked). I write this not to second guess your plan, but to reaffirmed that you should give it a go with some confidence in your chances. I'm sure that those cuttings will appreciate your love and care. Greg Reisterstown, Maryland On Apr 11, 2016 9:32 PM, "Shoemaker, William H" wrote: > I meant to say more but accidently sent it. > > It might be good to use a humidity tent, which is nothing more than a > clean plastic bag inflated over the pot or tray. Inflated is an > exaggeration. It can be suspended with a wire frame for the same effect. It > minimizes the demand for moisture and gives the cuttings a much better > chance to root. > > Bill > > *William H. Shoemaker * > > *Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist* > > *University of Illinois* > > wshoemak at illinois.edu > ------------------------------ > *From:* Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on > behalf of Shoemaker, William H [wshoemak at illinois.edu] > *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2016 8:28 PM > *To:* Market Farming > *Subject:* Re: [Market-farming] rooting rosemary cuttings > > If they're long, cutting them back may help. Make a fresh cut at the base > end, then proceed with rooting hormone and setting them in a good moist > medium. > > *William H. Shoemaker * > > *Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist* > > *University of Illinois* > > wshoemak at illinois.edu > ------------------------------ > *From:* Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on > behalf of Kathryn Kerby [kakerby at aol.com] > *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2016 3:50 PM > *To:* 'Market Farming' > *Subject:* [Market-farming] rooting rosemary cuttings > > I had something of a plant emergency over the weekend. A dearly departed > friend had a magnificent healthy rosemary out in her yard, and I had talked > to her husband about taking cuttings from it before he removed it from the > landscape. I was even trying to come up with a way to safely remove the > entire plant and replant it here. So imagine my dismay when we showed up > at the house on Saturday and found that he?d already hacked off all the > branches that morning, tossed them on the yard waste pile, and saved me one > limp sprig. I fished all the branches out of the yard waste pile > and brought them home and I?m going to try to take cuttings anyway. > > > > Ideally I would have taken a cutting, put it right into rooting hormone > and then either into water or into moist soil. I?ve been trying to figure > out about how best to proceed given that they were cut 48-72hrs ago. It?s > been in the 40?s to 60?s here the last few days, with moderate humidity, so > maybe they haven?t dried out yet? I was able to get some of the branches > and/or cuttings into water within a few hours of being cut, but most of the > branches had to wait at least a day or two before getting any water. > > So, my questions: > > 1. Should I even bother trying to take cuttings from the branches > which didn?t get water for 24-48hrs? I can always just ?harvest? those > sprigs as herbs instead. > > 2. For the cuttings which I did get into water right away, some of > the branches were a lot longer than the recommended 3? ? 6? lengths. I was > planning to cut them back to that ideal length, then maybe soaking them > overnight and then dipping in rooting hormone prior to planting. Would that > help restore some of the water to the cuttings, and give them a better > chance? > > 3. I did read one online source about starting rosemary cuttings in > water, and changing the water each day. Would that perhaps be a better > approach for these cuttings, since they didn?t get into water right away? > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. I really wanted to propagate that plant > into as many cuttings as I could, so seeing those branches laying there on > the yard waste pile was quite a blow. I hope it?s not too late to get some > cuttings to root. > > Kathryn Kerby > > Frogchorusfarm.com > Snohomish, WA > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Open message Christine Jones -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pech9 at rocketmail.com Wed Apr 13 08:06:41 2016 From: pech9 at rocketmail.com (pech) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Market-farming] Potato Digger References: <1651439125.1875635.1460549201537.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1651439125.1875635.1460549201537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi ya'll...if this is a repeat ?I'm sorry but I didn't see it.....I'll try again has anyone used a potato digger for anything else like carrots or beets? I'm also thinking it may be a good way to clean beds after tilling....anybody with any thoughts? Thanks?Have FunDavez6a -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wshoemak at illinois.edu Wed Apr 13 08:24:20 2016 From: wshoemak at illinois.edu (Shoemaker, William H) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:24:20 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] Potato Digger In-Reply-To: <1651439125.1875635.1460549201537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1651439125.1875635.1460549201537.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1651439125.1875635.1460549201537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A96AA5@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> I've heard about this but haven't experienced it myself. I've used a lister plow to harvest root crops and onions fairly effectively. Bill William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________ From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of pech [pech9 at rocketmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:06 AM To: Market Farming Subject: [Market-farming] Potato Digger Hi ya'll...if this is a repeat I'm sorry but I didn't see it.....I'll try again has anyone used a potato digger for anything else like carrots or beets? I'm also thinking it may be a good way to clean beds after tilling....anybody with any thoughts? Thanks Have Fun Dave z6a -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aaronbrower at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 08:57:43 2016 From: aaronbrower at yahoo.com (Aaron Brower) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Market-farming] Potato Digger In-Reply-To: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A96AA5@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A57359A96AA5@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <380763672.1881442.1460552264007.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I've read digger manufacturers say that this was possible but I would be hesitant to try it. It would all depend on your bed set up and on your digger. I have a 1-row pto digger that works great but it would not be gentle enough for me to harvest beets or carrots. Also, we grow those in beds and the digger isnt wide enough. If you are looking for machinery to make your harvest more efficient, I would recommend an undercut bar.Here is an example:Undercutter, Carrot Lifter with a 3 Pt. Hitch & Toolbar | | | Undercutter, Carrot Lifter with a 3 Pt. Hitch & Toolbar Harvest Your Garlic, Carrots, Parsnips and More with Woodward Crossings' Undercutter and Carrot Lifter with ... | | | As far as cleaning beds after tilling, the digger does a great job of mixing up the soil and leaving any detritus on top. However, I typically think of that as a negative. I would prefer less disturbance and to incorporate any debris, but I suppose it all depends on your end goal.? Aaron From: "Shoemaker, William H" To: pech ; Market Farming Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Potato Digger I've heard about this but haven't experienced it myself. I've used a lister plow to harvest root crops and onions fairly effectively. Bill William H. Shoemaker Retired?fruit and vegetable?horticulturistUniversity of Illinoiswshoemak at illinois.eduFrom: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of pech [pech9 at rocketmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:06 AM To: Market Farming Subject: [Market-farming] Potato Digger Hi ya'll...if this is a repeat ?I'm sorry but I didn't see it.....I'll try again has anyone used a potato digger for anything else like carrots or beets? I'm also thinking it may be a good way to clean beds after tilling....anybody with any thoughts? Thanks?Have FunDavez6a _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb at mobiusfields.com Thu Apr 14 19:18:18 2016 From: deb at mobiusfields.com (Deb Taft) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:18:18 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Fwd: (NYC Farms) How good is your cooking? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI All. I thought you'd all get a kick out of this...and maybe one of you would be interested in pursuing it! :) Deb ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nick Date: Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 6:25 PM Subject: (NYC Farms) How good is your cooking? To: NYC Urban Farms Just passing along on a request I received earlier (I don't think my Mac & Cheese would make the cut): ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good Afternoon! My name is Jamie Jensen and I am a Casting Assistant for the Food Network's Chopped. For the first time in 31 seasons we are casting farmers to compete on Chopped ! We are looking for farming professionals changing the world of food one crop at a time. If you consider yourself a skilled amateur cook, we're looking for you! Chopped would only be a one day commitment with the chance to win $10,000. Also, as one of the highest rated shows on the Food Network and winner of 2 James Beard awards, it's great exposure for the you & the farm! New episodes will begin filming this summer. If you are interested please fill out the application using the link below and make sure they attach a resume and photo. Once you've applied, please let me know so I can keep an eye out for your application. Nassdja Anthony, one of our lead producers, would be happy to discuss the details with you a little more in depth. She can be reached at (646) 216-4235. Visit for Application: www.choppedcasting.com Best, Jamie Jensen Casting Assistant Chopped/Notional LLC 212-659-3768 jamie.jensen at notional.com -- Hope you have a farmy day! --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NYC Urban Farms" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to UrbanFarmsNYC+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to UrbanFarmsNYC at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikerock at mhtc.net Tue Apr 19 15:14:00 2016 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:14:00 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Asparabest asparagus Message-ID: <57168378.7060206@mhtc.net> Has anyone got any experience with this variety? Planting in holes augered 18" deep, filled with rotting pig manure/bedding pack, two inches of soil, then the plant, then some soil. As per instructions, the head of the crown is set 6" below soil line and will be filled over the course of the summer. Any problems evident? Last time I planted a bed was in 1990, a thousand plants, in trenches. I was younger then!! That bed is wearing out so am planting a new one and trying this variety. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From garlicgrower at green-logic.com Tue Apr 19 16:27:12 2016 From: garlicgrower at green-logic.com (GarlicGrower) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:27:12 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Asparabest asparagus In-Reply-To: <57168378.7060206@mhtc.net> References: <57168378.7060206@mhtc.net> Message-ID: <000001d19a79$dd459420$97d0bc60$@green-logic.com> Hi, Mike (and everyone else) I haven't done this variety and when I did my 1/2 acre of Jersey Knight and Purple Passion in 2013, I did trenches, too. But your listed method should work. I started 200 Precoce D'Argenteuil Asparagus in January and they are taking over my guest room. Should I really wait until after frost to plant them? Sure could use the space under the lights for other plants BUT I've invested this much time in them, so if they need to wait, we'll wait. Dorene Dorene Pasekoff Hill Creek Farm 75 Creamery Road Pottstown, PA 19465 610-506-3372 http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rock Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 3:14 PM To: Market Farming Subject: [Market-farming] Asparabest asparagus Has anyone got any experience with this variety? Planting in holes augered 18" deep, filled with rotting pig manure/bedding pack, two inches of soil, then the plant, then some soil. As per instructions, the head of the crown is set 6" below soil line and will be filled over the course of the summer. Any problems evident? Last time I planted a bed was in 1990, a thousand plants, in trenches. I was younger then!! That bed is wearing out so am planting a new one and trying this variety. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming