From mkennedy15 at charter.net Fri Oct 23 14:32:43 2015 From: mkennedy15 at charter.net (Christine Jones) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:32:43 -0700 Subject: [Market-farming] important message Message-ID: <00001ff1e960$01122f58$132a6ff7$@charter.net> Hello! New message, please read Christine Jones This email has been protected by YAC (Yet Another Cleaner) http://www.yac.mx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkennedy15 at charter.net Fri Oct 23 14:32:09 2015 From: mkennedy15 at charter.net (mkennedy15 at charter.net) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:32:09 -0700 Subject: [Market-farming] important message Message-ID: <0000997155c4$9a8c5113$af0fc879$@charter.net> Hello! New message, please read mkennedy15 at charter.net This email has been protected by YAC (Yet Another Cleaner) http://www.yac.mx This email has been protected by YAC (Yet Another Cleaner) http://www.yac.mx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlicgrower at green-logic.com Fri Oct 23 14:47:33 2015 From: garlicgrower at green-logic.com (GarlicGrower) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:47:33 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Bother "important messages" -- let's talk planting pawpaws! Message-ID: <000001d10dc3$49939e90$dcbadbb0$@green-logic.com> Hi, Folks! As long as the list is going to be full of "important messages," let's talk about something really important: How to Plant Pawpaws. A friend found an abandoned pawpaw patch here in Southeastern PA and shared his find with me so that we can plant them and have our own pawpaw patch. Perdue says to plant the whole fruits. An old-timer around here says to plant 3 in a hole. What say the experienced pawpaw growers among us? I'd like to plant the fruits tomorrow as I doubt they are going to last much longer, so thank you if you have time to chime into this discussion. Dorene Dorene Pasekoff Hill Creek Farm 75 Creamery Road Pottstown, PA 19465 610-506-3372 http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burkholders at glenecofarm.com Fri Oct 23 16:30:42 2015 From: burkholders at glenecofarm.com (Marlin Burkholder) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:30:42 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Bother "important messages" -- let's talk planting pawpaws! In-Reply-To: <000001d10dc3$49939e90$dcbadbb0$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: It would be interesting to hear if anyone has started them from seed. We got 2-year old seedlings and it has taken another 4 years until we got our first paw-paws. We were warned that some paw paws are more bushy or/and don?t produce fruit. Perhaps if you got native ones which are bearing fruit, they will bear for you. Christine Burkholder NW VA On 10/23/15 2:47 PM, "GarlicGrower" wrote: > Hi, Folks! > > > As long as the list is going to be full of ?important messages,? let?s talk > about something really important: How to Plant Pawpaws. > > A friend found an abandoned pawpaw patch here in Southeastern PA and shared > his find with me so that we can plant them and have our own pawpaw patch. > > Perdue says to plant the whole fruits. An old-timer around here says to plant > 3 in a hole. > > What say the experienced pawpaw growers among us? > > I?d like to plant the fruits tomorrow as I doubt they are going to last much > longer, so thank you if you have time to chime into this discussion. > > Dorene > > > Dorene Pasekoff > Hill Creek Farm > 75 Creamery Road > Pottstown, PA 19465 > > 610-506-3372 > http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rstewart at zoomtown.com Sun Oct 25 16:04:18 2015 From: rstewart at zoomtown.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:04:18 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Bother "important messages" -- let's talk planting pawpaws! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5EB536B1-D5C7-420A-8E8D-4FC29DBD8343@zoomtown.com> Super simple, no more details than this. It is not my main business and just something I am playing around with on the side. Eventually I hope to have about 15 acres of trees around our farm in a natural setting (as opposed to an orchard?which is also quite doable). I have had some success doing it this way?and some failure. It is an simple, lazy (or time effective?), method. I start them from seed. Put in a pot of looming organic rich soil with a bit of clay mixed in. Prior to winter. I place a rock over any bottom hole(s). Do not let the new plant set a tap root through the bottom of the pot, but the pot must not hold moisture either. If you cut the tap root they die in transplanting?or at least that is my experience. I get pawpaws in my compost pile and the corner of my house where I toss the rotten fruit out for the scavengers. Don't just toss the seeds out of you want to be deliberate though. Pot and then transplant. Try to mix up your seed sources so you are making a stand of trees that can easily cross pollinate. Richard Stewart Carriage House Farm North Bend, Ohio An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855 (513) 967-1106 http://www.carriagehousefarmllc.com rstewart at zoomtown.com You can follow us on: Facebook @ Carriage House Farm Twitter @CarriageHsFm Instagram @carriage_house_farm Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrobinson at nasw.org Mon Oct 26 21:04:00 2015 From: rrobinson at nasw.org (Richard Robinson) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:04:00 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] row cover brands Message-ID: <201510262140.651636@Richard-PC> I am familiar with Agribon, but find it a bit flimsy and easily torn. I am hoping to find a somewhat tougher fabric for winter cover for strawberries, and seem to remember there was another brand that fit this bill. Anyone know what it might be? thanks. Richard Robinson www.nasw.org/users/rrobinson/ Hopestill Farm www.hopestill.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From aaronbrower at yahoo.com Mon Oct 26 21:28:58 2015 From: aaronbrower at yahoo.com (Aaron Brower) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 01:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Market-farming] row cover brands In-Reply-To: <201510262140.651636@Richard-PC> References: <201510262140.651636@Richard-PC> Message-ID: <586232640.4320332.1445909338419.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I prefer grow guard, It lasts longer than agribon. There are other brands as well. https://www.berryhilldrip.com/Frost-and-Insect-Covers/ Aaron From: Richard Robinson To: Market Farming Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:04 PM Subject: [Market-farming] row cover brands I am familiar with Agribon, but find it a bit flimsy and easily torn. I am hoping to find a somewhat tougher fabric for winter cover for strawberries, and seem to remember there was another brand that fit this bill. Anyone know what it might be? thanks. ? Richard Robinson ? www.nasw.org/users/rrobinson/ ? Hopestill Farm ? www.hopestill.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Tue Oct 27 08:25:08 2015 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 08:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] row cover brands In-Reply-To: <201510262140.651636@Richard-PC> References: <201510262140.651636@Richard-PC> Message-ID: <6F0465BE-8E2D-428C-B2F0-02FC8F8E8A54@frontiernet.net> My local supplier had something better -- more stretchy, doesn't tear as easily -- but I can't think of the name; I'll have to see if I can find it. You may want a heavier weight for an all-winter cover in any case than is often used for warmer season covers. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale On Oct 26, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Richard Robinson wrote: > I am familiar with Agribon, but find it a bit flimsy and easily torn. I am hoping to find a somewhat tougher fabric for winter cover for strawberries, and seem to remember there was another brand that fit this bill. Anyone know what it might be? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burkholders at glenecofarm.com Tue Oct 27 11:14:30 2015 From: burkholders at glenecofarm.com (Marlin Burkholder) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:14:30 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] planting pawpaws! In-Reply-To: <5EB536B1-D5C7-420A-8E8D-4FC29DBD8343@zoomtown.com> Message-ID: Richard, How much dirt do you put over the top of the seed? Do you let the pots set outside? Do you let the sprouts in the pots through the first summer? Thanks for all of your hints. Christine Burkholder VA On 10/25/15 4:04 PM, "Richard Stewart" wrote: > Super simple, no more details than this. It is not my main business and just > something I am playing around with on the side. Eventually I hope to have > about 15 acres of trees around our farm in a natural setting (as opposed to an > orchard?which is also quite doable). I have had some success doing it this > way?and some failure. It is an simple, lazy (or time effective?), method. > > I start them from seed. Put in a pot of looming organic rich soil with a bit > of clay mixed in. Prior to winter. I place a rock over any bottom hole(s). > Do not let the new plant set a tap root through the bottom of the pot, but the > pot must not hold moisture either. If you cut the tap root they die in > transplanting?or at least that is my experience. > > I get pawpaws in my compost pile and the corner of my house where I toss the > rotten fruit out for the scavengers. > > Don't just toss the seeds out if you want to be deliberate though. Pot and > then transplant. Try to mix up your seed sources so you are making a stand of > trees that can easily cross pollinate. > > Richard Stewart > Carriage House Farm > North Bend, Ohio > > An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855 > > (513) 967-1106 > http://www.carriagehousefarmllc.com > rstewart at zoomtown.com > > You can follow us on: > > Facebook @ Carriage House Farm > Twitter @CarriageHsFm > Instagram @carriage_house_farm > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rstewart at zoomtown.com Tue Oct 27 21:25:54 2015 From: rstewart at zoomtown.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 21:25:54 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] planting pawpaws! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7AF74E43-1379-4B32-8693-CD2D8995B68D@zoomtown.com> Inch to half inch. Placed outside. Allowed to freeze in whatever polar vortex may come. Transplanted whenever I have the free time to do so, which is why I prefer root bound over a tap root finding its way though a drain hole in the bottom of the pot. I have yet to successfully transfer a pawpaw from the wild or grown in a pot where the tap root was cut even th smallest amount. Richard Stewart Carriage House Farm North Bend, Ohio An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855 (513) 967-1106 http://www.carriagehousefarmllc.com rstewart at zoomtown.com You can follow us on: Facebook @ Carriage House Farm Twitter @CarriageHsFm Instagram @carriage_house_farm Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail On Oct 27, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Marlin Burkholder wrote: > Richard, > > How much dirt do you put over the top of the seed? > > Do you let the pots set outside? > > Do you let the sprouts in the pots through the first summer? > > Thanks for all of your hints. > Christine Burkholder > VA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlicgrower at green-logic.com Thu Oct 29 15:52:42 2015 From: garlicgrower at green-logic.com (GarlicGrower) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Deer -- do they eat fava beans or not? Message-ID: <000001d11283$61755430$245ffc90$@green-logic.com> Hi, Folks! I've had several requests for fava beans for the Spring. I've grown them before and they seem to do well here. In the past, I've fenced the favas, but I'm getting conflicting information on whether or not deer will eat them Anyone have any experience with deer eating or avoiding favas? My gut says a deer will eat almost anything if it's hungry enough, but alliums and larkspur are let alone, so figured I'd ask. Thanks for the input! Dorene Dorene Pasekoff Hill Creek Farm 75 Creamery Road Pottstown, PA 19465 610-506-3372 http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgh26 at cornell.edu Thu Oct 29 17:14:14 2015 From: rgh26 at cornell.edu (Robert G. Hadad) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:14:14 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] Deer -- do they eat fava beans or not? In-Reply-To: <000001d11283$61755430$245ffc90$@green-logic.com> References: <000001d11283$61755430$245ffc90$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: <96fbd34y8f30s030vhfwmq9w.1446153049434@email.android.com> yHere in NY I have had deer and ground hogs eat fava beans in a variety trial this spring and had deer eat alliums - onions. Once deer get a taste for something they continue to go for it. One observation was that they stopped eating them when the sunflowers came up. Once these plants were a foot or so tall both critters moved over to that plot. Robert Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID GarlicGrower wrote: Hi, Folks! I've had several requests for fava beans for the Spring. I've grown them before and they seem to do well here. In the past, I've fenced the favas, but I'm getting conflicting information on whether or not deer will eat them Anyone have any experience with deer eating or avoiding favas? My gut says a deer will eat almost anything if it's hungry enough, but alliums and larkspur are let alone, so figured I'd ask. Thanks for the input! Dorene Dorene Pasekoff Hill Creek Farm 75 Creamery Road Pottstown, PA 19465 610-506-3372 http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrobinson at nasw.org Thu Oct 29 17:22:55 2015 From: rrobinson at nasw.org (Richard Robinson) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:22:55 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Deer -- do they eat fava beans or not? In-Reply-To: <000001d11283$61755430$245ffc90$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: <20151029172255.067370@Richard-PC> On 10/29/2015 at 5:21:55 PM, GarlicGrower wrote: > My gut says a deer will eat almost anything if it?s hungry enough, but > alliums and larkspur are let alone, so figured I?d ask. > Our deer eat leek tops in winter, after they finish the kale. I'd guess they will eat favas. Richard Robinson www.nasw.org/users/rrobinson/ Hopestill Farm www.hopestill.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From pam at twinoaks.org Thu Oct 29 17:51:11 2015 From: pam at twinoaks.org (Pam Twin Oaks) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:51:11 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] row cover brands Message-ID: I use 1.25 oz Typar? Xavan? T5131 Row Cover. See http://www.johnnyseeds.com/p-5457-typar-xavan-t5131-row-cover-15-x-50.aspx It's very sturdy! Pam Dawling Author of Sustainable Market Farming, Intensive Vegetable Production on a Few Acres sustainablemarketfarming.com facebook.com/SustainableMarketFarming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlicgrower at green-logic.com Thu Oct 29 18:59:54 2015 From: garlicgrower at green-logic.com (GarlicGrower) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:59:54 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Deer -- do they eat fava beans or not? In-Reply-To: <20151029172255.067370@Richard-PC> References: <000001d11283$61755430$245ffc90$@green-logic.com> <20151029172255.067370@Richard-PC> Message-ID: <000001d1129d$891b05b0$9b511110$@green-logic.com> Hi, Folks! You guys are depressing me. I've never seen deer around here eat any allium -- onion, leek or garlic. Now, I'm thinking I'm just lucky. Guess I will fence the favas. Thanks! Dorene Dorene Pasekoff Hill Creek Farm 75 Creamery Road Pottstown, PA 19465 610-506-3372 http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ From organic87 at frontiernet.net Thu Oct 29 20:31:11 2015 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 20:31:11 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] row cover brands In-Reply-To: <6F0465BE-8E2D-428C-B2F0-02FC8F8E8A54@frontiernet.net> References: <201510262140.651636@Richard-PC> <6F0465BE-8E2D-428C-B2F0-02FC8F8E8A54@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5368399F-92EB-40AE-8182-F88A2FBE5E2D@frontiernet.net> On Oct 27, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: > My local supplier had something better -- more stretchy, doesn't tear as easily -- but I can't think of the name; I'll have to see if I can find it. > > You may want a heavier weight for an all-winter cover in any case than is often used for warmer season covers. > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > Found it: label says it's made by Bluefire. Label also says nonwovendirect.com; but that site doesn't seem to offer row cover. Googling Bluefire row cover brought up some results, though. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Thu Oct 29 20:33:14 2015 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 20:33:14 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Deer -- do they eat fava beans or not? In-Reply-To: <000001d1129d$891b05b0$9b511110$@green-logic.com> References: <000001d11283$61755430$245ffc90$@green-logic.com> <20151029172255.067370@Richard-PC> <000001d1129d$891b05b0$9b511110$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: <5CB2FFC8-2D4C-4429-B59A-E5112B0757E8@frontiernet.net> On Oct 29, 2015, at 6:59 PM, GarlicGrower wrote: > You guys are depressing me. I've never seen deer around here eat any allium > -- onion, leek or garlic. Me neither. Or shallots. I hope Robert's and Richard's deer don't come talk to my deer. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: