From garlicgrower at green-logic.com Sun Mar 1 21:01:07 2015 From: garlicgrower at green-logic.com (GarlicGrower) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 21:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse Message-ID: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> Hi, Folks! Right now I'm doing seed starting in our spare bedroom, but I need more space. Husband is looking at cost and wants to put in a kit hoophouse. I'd like to convert space next to the barn to a small polycarbonate greenhouse. Thoughts? Dorene Pasekoff Hill Creek Farm 75 Creamery Road Pottstown, PA 19465 610-506-3372 http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddlister1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 07:27:00 2015 From: toddlister1 at gmail.com (Todd Lister) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 07:27:00 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse In-Reply-To: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> References: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: Cadillac or Chevy. On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 9:01 PM, GarlicGrower wrote: > Hi, Folks! > > > > Right now I?m doing seed starting in our spare bedroom, but I need more > space. Husband is looking at cost and wants to put in a kit hoophouse. > I?d like to convert space next to the barn to a small polycarbonate > greenhouse. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > Dorene Pasekoff > > Hill Creek Farm > > 75 Creamery Road > > Pottstown, PA 19465 > > > > 610-506-3372 > > http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 2 08:40:25 2015 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 08:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse In-Reply-To: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> References: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: <87C2CCE0-30C4-4417-ADF2-0801900A0E47@frontiernet.net> Sounds good to me. I recently put one up from a Farmtek kit. Almost everything needed to be cut to size, which was very timeconsuming. I don't know whether other kits are easier to put up, but I'd look into that factor. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale On Mar 1, 2015, at 9:01 PM, GarlicGrower wrote: > Hi, Folks! > > Right now I?m doing seed starting in our spare bedroom, but I need more space. Husband is looking at cost and wants to put in a kit hoophouse. I?d like to convert space next to the barn to a small polycarbonate greenhouse. > > Thoughts? > > > Dorene Pasekoff > Hill Creek Farm > 75 Creamery Road > Pottstown, PA 19465 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 2 08:46:38 2015 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 08:46:38 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse In-Reply-To: <87C2CCE0-30C4-4417-ADF2-0801900A0E47@frontiernet.net> References: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> <87C2CCE0-30C4-4417-ADF2-0801900A0E47@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: ETA: what I put up was a polycarbonate. I wanted something less likely to blow apart as there's sometimes only me here to try to put anything back together; and, while it was more expensive to start with, it should be cheaper in the long run, as it won't need to be re-covered every couple of years. Once we got it assembled, I like it fine. On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: > Sounds good to me. > > I recently put one up from a Farmtek kit. Almost everything needed to be cut to size, which was very timeconsuming. I don't know whether other kits are easier to put up, but I'd look into that factor. > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > On Mar 1, 2015, at 9:01 PM, GarlicGrower wrote: > >> Hi, Folks! >> >> Right now I?m doing seed starting in our spare bedroom, but I need more space. Husband is looking at cost and wants to put in a kit hoophouse. I?d like to convert space next to the barn to a small polycarbonate greenhouse. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> Dorene Pasekoff >> Hill Creek Farm >> 75 Creamery Road >> Pottstown, PA 19465 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrobinson at nasw.org Mon Mar 2 08:57:09 2015 From: rrobinson at nasw.org (Richard Robinson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 08:57:09 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse In-Reply-To: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: <2015328579.055539@Richard-PC> Some factors to consider: 1. seed starting requires electricity, and ideally, a relatively constant (warm) temperature. Indoors is great for that. OTOH, you'll need less lighting outdoors. 2. Small hoop houses or greenhouses aren't hard to heat up (and overheating may be a bigger issue), but they don't stay warm without major thermal mass. 3. A house attached to the side of the barn will help with temperature modulation, but risks humidity concerns against the barn siding. 4. Seedlings especially need to be protected from overheating. Ideally, a small house would have automatic ventilation. 5. Polycarbonate will be slightly better insulation than plastic, but controlling air infiltration is likely to be more important than that difference. Richard Robinson www.nasw.org/users/rrobinson/ Hopestill Farm www.hopestill.com On 3/2/2015 at 8:46:15 AM, GarlicGrower wrote: > Hi, Folks! > > > Right now I?m doing seed starting in our spare bedroom, but I need more > space. Husband is looking at cost and wants to put in a kit hoophouse. I?d > like to convert space next to the barn to a small polycarbonate greenhouse. > > > Thoughts? > > > Dorene Pasekoff > > Hill Creek Farm > > 75 Creamery Road > > Pottstown, PA 19465 > > > 610-506-3372 > > http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 2 09:26:54 2015 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 09:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse In-Reply-To: <2015328579.055539@Richard-PC> References: <2015328579.055539@Richard-PC> Message-ID: I do most of the germinating indoors, on heat mats for those crops that require it, and move flats out to the greenhouse once the seedlings come up. The very earliest starts (onions, parsley, etc.) stay inside until the unheated greenhouse is fairly reliably above freezing -- the polycarbonate provides several degrees of frost protection. I have automatic vents in the greenhouse. So far that's been enough to prevent overheating. Mine is located where it gets shade in the middle of the day once the trees leaf out. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Richard Robinson wrote: > 1. seed starting requires electricity, and ideally, a relatively constant (warm) temperature. Indoors is great for that. OTOH, you'll need less lighting outdoors. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darren at thegardenspace.com Mon Mar 2 09:38:02 2015 From: darren at thegardenspace.com (Darren Young) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 08:38:02 -0600 Subject: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse In-Reply-To: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> References: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: I ran a 12'x24' hoop house that I built out of chain link fence top rail for several years with fantastic results. I think 2 layers of good greenhouse quality plastic that are inflated will come very close to an R value of rigid polycarbonate. I think the Ball Redbook on structures has an R value chart in it that compares them, there might be something on the Internet as well. I opted to dump the kneewalls on it to keep it lower to the ground so there was less air mass inside to heat. Single fan for the inflation, smaller one. I ran a 32k BTU furnace in that and it was both cost effective and worked well for seed starting and I'm in northern Illinois outside Chicago. It had 1 rear exhaust fan and 2 front fresh air intakes on it. When I first started I bought one of those little 4'x8' kit plastic greenhouses, it leaked like a sieve and even after trying to seal it I could never get it to hold heat well. On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:01 PM, GarlicGrower wrote: > Hi, Folks! > > > > Right now I?m doing seed starting in our spare bedroom, but I need more > space. Husband is looking at cost and wants to put in a kit hoophouse. > I?d like to convert space next to the barn to a small polycarbonate > greenhouse. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > Dorene Pasekoff > > Hill Creek Farm > > 75 Creamery Road > > Pottstown, PA 19465 > > > > 610-506-3372 > > http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkcampbell at southslope.net Mon Mar 2 09:43:20 2015 From: dkcampbell at southslope.net (Dave and Kathy Campbell) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 08:43:20 -0600 Subject: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse In-Reply-To: References: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> <87C2CCE0-30C4-4417-ADF2-0801900A0E47@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <001801d054f7$3a360b20$aea22160$@net> Well, for what its worth. I put up a 20'x20' FarmTek polycarbonate "greenhouse" 4 years ago, and am very happy with it. I extended it out onto a former concrete feeding floor from the big doors of my plant shed, and re-arranged the back (supposedly enclosed) to open directly into the shed. It took me all summer to erect, working alone. Most of that time went to cutting holes through the concrete floor where the greenhouse piers were to go. It is important to measure and build everything exactly right so that all the parts, especially the poly sheets, fit properly. With my kit, though, only some metal uprights and overlapping front and back sheets had to be cut to size. I did not get the heat/vent stuff to make my extension into a true greenhouse, so it is more of a hoophouse with sturdy arched poly covering. The sun makes it warm inside during the winter days, but my high-low thermometer tells me it gets about as cold as outside during winter nights. If I were using it to start seedlings, or to grow winter produce, I would need an additional draped cover over my raised beds in there. In summer it gets very hot inside, and we keep the doors open and water 1-2 times a day. The result is a tropical climate in there, perfect to grow a fine crop of basil. I also have built a FarmTek fabric covered building. The fabric lasted for 7 years before holes wore through (constant rubbing as the wind worked it). FarmTek sold me a new cover, now in place going on 4 years and holding up so far. It is important to continually re-tighten the tensioning as the fabric works and stretches. I now use that structure as a shelter for my beehives. ==Dave Campbell / Tiffin IA / Zone 5b From: Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Road's End Farm Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 7:47 AM To: Market Farming Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse ETA: what I put up was a polycarbonate. I wanted something less likely to blow apart as there's sometimes only me here to try to put anything back together; and, while it was more expensive to start with, it should be cheaper in the long run, as it won't need to be re-covered every couple of years. Once we got it assembled, I like it fine. On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Road's End Farm wrote: Sounds good to me. I recently put one up from a Farmtek kit. Almost everything needed to be cut to size, which was very timeconsuming. I don't know whether other kits are easier to put up, but I'd look into that factor. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale On Mar 1, 2015, at 9:01 PM, GarlicGrower wrote: Hi, Folks! Right now I'm doing seed starting in our spare bedroom, but I need more space. Husband is looking at cost and wants to put in a kit hoophouse. I'd like to convert space next to the barn to a small polycarbonate greenhouse. Thoughts? 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URL: From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 2 10:28:53 2015 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 10:28:53 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Greenhouse vs hoophouse In-Reply-To: References: <000001d0548c$c375b450$4a611cf0$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: <1950103F-434A-42FB-8309-43BD52E9DF81@frontiernet.net> On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Darren Young wrote: > When I first started I bought one of those little 4'x8' kit plastic greenhouses, it leaked like a sieve and even after trying to seal it I could never get it to hold heat well. For a while I had an 8' x 8' Farmtek covered with a single layer of heavy vinyl. The cover, taken off every winter, lasted about twice as long as the warranty; but to my surprise and dismay it got even colder in there at night than it did outside. I suspect some kind of evaporative cooling effect from moisture settling on the outside of the cover. On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:43 AM, Dave and Kathy Campbell wrote: > > I put up a 20?x20? FarmTek polycarbonate ?greenhouse? 4 years ago, and am very happy with it. [ . . . ] It took me all summer to erect, working alone. [ . . . ] > The sun makes it warm inside during the winter days, but my high-low thermometer tells me it gets about as cold as outside during winter nights. > I'm surprised that Dave's polycarbonate gets as cold inside as the outside temps -- unless maybe it's singlewall polycarbonate? Mine is twinwall. It definitely holds several degrees warmer. But I'm not as surprised as I am that he was able to put it together working alone, even if it did take all summer. At some points in the assembly of my 14' x 16' we needed at least three people, two of them holding things in position while the third one did fasteners. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eglatyne at tds.net Mon Mar 2 12:31:07 2015 From: eglatyne at tds.net (Carol Thomas) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:31:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Market-farming] Hoop houses In-Reply-To: <552424190.23006698.1425317100037.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> Message-ID: <927084223.23020272.1425317467095.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> Hi all, regarding greenhouses and hoop houses, first buy the best you can afford and you will get a lot of use out of it. also buy as big as you are able. You will fill it up. Hoop houses: there are good plans for hoop houses with Johnny's and Mother earth news and for hoop houses plastic framing is almost as good as metal and much cheaper. If possible use rigid plastic on the ends. A good GH kit comes from companies who specialize in GH's I have three GHs and 3 hoop houses and I have my own plans for a hoop house, but it's not the type to attach to a building. I have been selling out of my GHs all winter. It keeps the wolf fromthe door. Carol Thomas, Sweet Briar From gofish54 at centurytel.net Wed Mar 11 18:40:57 2015 From: gofish54 at centurytel.net (gofish54 at centurytel.net) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Market-farming] Lisianthus question Message-ID: <1064945826.30224797.1426113657166.JavaMail.root@centurytel.net> I started some lisianthus a few weeks ago.? They are up today and I need some help is getting them ready to transplant.? I have them under lights in our house at about 70 degrees.? Do I leave them here or put them in a cooler place?? When do I feed them and with what?? Any other advice for a total 'lisiamateur ."?? Thanks for the help - mac -- Ron McElwain NW Missouri - Zone 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garlicgrower at green-logic.com Tue Mar 24 10:45:00 2015 From: garlicgrower at green-logic.com (GarlicGrower) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:45:00 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] Voles in the Asparagus Message-ID: <000001d06641$1e71b460$5b551d20$@green-logic.com> Hi. Folks! Don't know if it's because the snow cover has finally melted and/or my barn cat has been "off the job" after dental surgery, but we've got some serious vole runs in our asparagus field. Any suggestions for getting their populations down? Don't want to do poison because of barn cat (who is an amazing hunter when she's healthy) and 2 dogs (who also like to munch on voles), but am otherwise open to suggestions. Thanks! Dorene Pasekoff Hill Creek Farm 75 Creamery Road Pottstown, PA 19465 610-506-3372 http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pureprairiefarm at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 13:17:08 2015 From: pureprairiefarm at gmail.com (Pure Prairie Farm) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:17:08 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Voles in the Asparagus In-Reply-To: <000001d06641$1e71b460$5b551d20$@green-logic.com> References: <000001d06641$1e71b460$5b551d20$@green-logic.com> Message-ID: Put a mouse trap inside a small box (shoe box, etc). They like the dark. Cut a hole in the side of the box so they can go in. Get your cat healthy! Bill On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 9:45 AM, GarlicGrower wrote: > Hi. Folks! > > > > Don?t know if it?s because the snow cover has finally melted and/or my > barn cat has been ?off the job? after dental surgery, but we?ve got some > serious vole runs in our asparagus field. > > > > Any suggestions for getting their populations down? Don?t want to do > poison because of barn cat (who is an amazing hunter when she?s healthy) > and 2 dogs (who also like to munch on voles), but am otherwise open to > suggestions. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Dorene Pasekoff > > Hill Creek Farm > > 75 Creamery Road > > Pottstown, PA 19465 > > > > 610-506-3372 > > http://www.hillcreekfarmpa.com/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darren at thegardenspace.com Sat Mar 28 22:58:34 2015 From: darren at thegardenspace.com (Darren Young) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 21:58:34 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Various greenhouse items for sale Message-ID: I cleaned out my garage attic and am selling various things that are left from the shutdown of our nursery business. I'd love someone to take everything, I'll make a deal if you want it all. My postal code is 60480 if you want to calculate shipping charges. I use USPS priority mail for everything. Images are on Flicker here , they're all numbered, descriptions for each are below along with the price I'm asking and shipping weight. If you have any questions please email me off list. [#1] DY-12 12 ft high tunnel bender w. bending pipe http://www.buildmyowngreenhouse.com/dy-10-hoop-bender-1.aspx Use this to bend 1 3/8", 10'6" chain-link fence top rail into 12' hoops for greenhouses. This was my "go to" bender for 12'x24' houses. Used but in good condition. Retail $54.99, asking $30. Ship weight 10lb. [#2] MH-4 4 ft. low hoop bender w. bending pipe http://www.buildmyowngreenhouse.com/mh-3-low-tunnel-hoop-bender-1.aspx Use this to bend 1/2" or 3/4" conduit into low hoops for row covers. I built TONS of row covers with this. Used but in good condition. Retail #39.95, asking $20. Ship weight 10lb. [#3] (6) Orbit 3/4" irrigation valves w. solenoids. Female ends http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/outdoor-grounds-maintenance/irrigation/manifolds-and-valves/irrigation-34-fnpt-inline-sprinkler-valve?infoParam.campaignId=T9F&gclid=CJup7O3ngsQCFYVAaQody64AXQ Some used, some new. Solenoids tested working. Retail $13, asking $3 ea. Ship weight 6lb. [#4] (3) 1/2" NPT metal sprinkler heads, (1) 1/2" NPT plastic sprinkler head, (3) 1/2" NPT plastic sprinkler ground stakes. Some slightly used but working, others new. Asking $20 for everything. Ship weight 8lb. [#5] K-Kontrol Prewired thermostat http://www.kkontrols.com/poth8ftco.html Never used this one, I was going to add another greenhouse but never did. Single stage thermostat, portable, pre-wired, 120V, $49.95 retail, brand new condition, asking $35. Ship weight 2lb. [#6] Durostat thermostat http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/ProductDisplay?mfPartNumber=CR2095 I used this one for a greenhouse furnace, had it set to turn on the furnace at 65 degrees. Single stage thermostat, 120V, $27.95 retail, used condition, asking $15. Ship weight 2lb. [#7] SureSTAT T110 thermostat http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/controls.shtml I used this one to control fresh air intake fans, had it set to open the shutters at 85 degrees. Single stage thermostat, 120V, $35.95 retail, used condition, asking $20. Ship weight 2lb. [#8] ACF Greeenhouses weatherproof fan speed control http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/controls2.shtml Never used this one, I didn't need the variable speed on my exhaust fan. Adjustable fan speed control, 120V, $34.95 retail, brand new condition, asking $20. Ship weight 2lb. [#9] Garden hose fertilizer syphon. Brass w. pickup pipe. Used very little and works. I ended up moving into an injector right after purchase. Asking $5. Ship weight 3lb. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barkingcatfarm at mindspring.com Mon Mar 30 14:43:29 2015 From: barkingcatfarm at mindspring.com (Barking Cat Farm) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Farm Irrigation Specialist Recommendations, Please? Message-ID: Anybody have recommendations for farm irrigation infrastructure specialists in northeast Texas, preferably licensed irrigators, specifically in the Hunt and Rockwall County areas? This would preferably be based on personal experience. We are trying to find somebody with experience in the area that can for now help us install a cycle stop valve (CSV) on our farm irrigation pump system, as well as to have a contact going forward for when we have unforeseen problems with which we need help. Thank you in advance, Laurie Barking Cat Farm