From momjoy at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 17:30:01 2015 From: momjoy at hotmail.com (Joyce Howlett) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 23:30:01 +0100 Subject: [Market-farming] from: Joyce Howlett Message-ID: Hi market http://dosab.se/clothes.php?higher=k6cmfxk4zzzhcqxqx0ra3 momjoy at hotmail.com Sent from my iPhone From stonecirclefarm at tds.net Sat Feb 7 13:08:01 2015 From: stonecirclefarm at tds.net (stonecirclefarm tds.net) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 12:08:01 -0600 Subject: [Market-farming] Woodward Crossing Wunderbar Tool System Message-ID: Does anyone have experience with the Woodward Crossing suite of tools, especially the undercutter? On the topic of undercutters, I'm curious about horsepower requirements and the difference in functionality and performance between simple undercutter bars (such as made by Woodward Crossing and others) compared to PTO driven undercutters. Does the PTO driven type help with less than ideal soil conditions? The Woodward Crossing site suggests that their tool works best in suitable, well-prepared, raised beds and they recommend digging a trench at the head of each bed to get started. I have short bed lengths and am not interested in digging a whole series of trenches! -John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Mon Feb 16 21:04:14 2015 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:04:14 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] heat cables Message-ID: <54E2A19E.7030201@rhomestead.com> There was discussion that some folks used roof gutter deicing cables for bottom heat. How warm do these get? I just set up an 8 x 16 foam "table" with 200 feet of the cable. Before putting plants on figured I'd better test. The cable barely gets warm, certainly not hot. I was planning on using this in my unheated hoophouse to keep seedlings from freezing at night. I can't see that it will put out near enough heat, fast enough. I have it on a "cube" thermostat, to come on at 35 and off at 45. I was planning on keeping the whole thing full of flats, and that the heat would come up through the plugs, making nice warm roots. Seriously doubting this will happen. Hopefully after this week we will be done with frequent below zero nights. I know that with frequent daytime sunshine, under row cover it seldom gets below 15. Because of condensed ice on the bottom of the row cover. If it doesn't freeze I don't know that I'll get that extra protection. But I do have three layers of ag-19 row cover plus a light plastic, and can lay foamboard over the top (sides just row cover and plastic). Those who have used these - please chime in with your experience. Thank you. -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown From lists at rhomestead.com Mon Feb 16 21:51:55 2015 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:51:55 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] remote sensor thermometers Message-ID: <54E2ACCB.6020005@rhomestead.com> Anyone using the AccuLink or LaCrosse systems that allow you to get reports/alerts on cell phones? Or just the plain jane ones that you have to look at a display in the house? I read that the ones that you can read on a little display are only accurate within 5 Degrees F, and that is not good enough for me. Appreciate recommendations in either direction. The only reason to get the cell phone one is summer hoophouse temps. That, and it looks like a unit with 3 sensors will cost over $50, so I might as well go to the $100 for the cell phone alerts. -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown From etienne at lejardinduvillage.ca Tue Feb 17 07:02:58 2015 From: etienne at lejardinduvillage.ca (Etienne Goyer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] heat cables In-Reply-To: <54E2A19E.7030201@rhomestead.com> References: <54E2A19E.7030201@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <54E32DF2.6020609@lejardinduvillage.ca> I am using this brand of heat cable: http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Heating-Ventilation-Cooling-Home-Comfort/Heating/Cables/Roof-Pipe/61-Meter-Roof-Gutter-De-icing-Kit/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I5513269?Ntt=heating+cable It does get quite warm, although not to the point that you cannot hold it in your hand when plugged in. You probably thought about it already, but just in case, have you tried to plug it somewhere else? If you use an extension cord, for example, perhaps you don't get enough amps to get the cable real warm. Something to try. On 15-02-16 09:04 PM, Beth Spaugh wrote: > There was discussion that some folks used roof gutter deicing cables for > bottom heat. How warm do these get? > > I just set up an 8 x 16 foam "table" with 200 feet of the cable. Before > putting plants on figured I'd better test. The cable barely gets warm, > certainly not hot. I was planning on using this in my unheated > hoophouse to keep seedlings from freezing at night. I can't see that it > will put out near enough heat, fast enough. I have it on a "cube" > thermostat, to come on at 35 and off at 45. I was planning on keeping > the whole thing full of flats, and that the heat would come up through > the plugs, making nice warm roots. Seriously doubting this will happen. > > Hopefully after this week we will be done with frequent below zero > nights. I know that with frequent daytime sunshine, under row cover it > seldom gets below 15. Because of condensed ice on the bottom of the row > cover. If it doesn't freeze I don't know that I'll get that extra > protection. But I do have three layers of ag-19 row cover plus a light > plastic, and can lay foamboard over the top (sides just row cover and > plastic). > > Those who have used these - please chime in with your experience. Thank > you. > -- Etienne Goyer - Le Jardin du Village http://lejardinduvillage.wordpress.com "Changer le monde, une betterave ? la fois" From lists at rhomestead.com Tue Feb 17 09:08:08 2015 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:08:08 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] heat cables In-Reply-To: <54E32DF2.6020609@lejardinduvillage.ca> References: <54E2A19E.7030201@rhomestead.com> <54E32DF2.6020609@lejardinduvillage.ca> Message-ID: <54E34B48.9090102@rhomestead.com> Thanks Etienne. That is exactly the one I have. I am using an extension cord (not much choice), but a real heavy duty one (DH is a carpenter so we have heavy ones). I did not leave it on long last night when testing. I will turn it on today and leave it to test. I may have to forgo the thermostat automation and just turn it on in the afternoon to heat the plug trays and leave it on over night. I was originally concerned about "cooking" the plugs, but don't think that will be a problem. Reassuring to know they work for you. I have them strung 6 to 7 inches apart. How close are yours? On 2/17/2015 7:02 AM, Etienne Goyer wrote: > I am using this brand of heat cable: > > http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Heating-Ventilation-Cooling-Home-Comfort/Heating/Cables/Roof-Pipe/61-Meter-Roof-Gutter-De-icing-Kit/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I5513269?Ntt=heating+cable > > > It does get quite warm, although not to the point that you cannot hold > it in your hand when plugged in. > > You probably thought about it already, but just in case, have you tried > to plug it somewhere else? If you use an extension cord, for example, > perhaps you don't get enough amps to get the cable real warm. Something > to try. > > > > On 15-02-16 09:04 PM, Beth Spaugh wrote: >> There was discussion that some folks used roof gutter deicing cables for >> bottom heat. How warm do these get? >> >> I just set up an 8 x 16 foam "table" with 200 feet of the cable. Before >> putting plants on figured I'd better test. The cable barely gets warm, >> certainly not hot. I was planning on using this in my unheated >> hoophouse to keep seedlings from freezing at night. I can't see that it >> will put out near enough heat, fast enough. I have it on a "cube" >> thermostat, to come on at 35 and off at 45. I was planning on keeping >> the whole thing full of flats, and that the heat would come up through >> the plugs, making nice warm roots. Seriously doubting this will happen. >> >> Hopefully after this week we will be done with frequent below zero >> nights. I know that with frequent daytime sunshine, under row cover it >> seldom gets below 15. Because of condensed ice on the bottom of the row >> cover. If it doesn't freeze I don't know that I'll get that extra >> protection. But I do have three layers of ag-19 row cover plus a light >> plastic, and can lay foamboard over the top (sides just row cover and >> plastic). >> >> Those who have used these - please chime in with your experience. Thank >> you. >> -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown From etienne at lejardinduvillage.ca Tue Feb 17 15:23:56 2015 From: etienne at lejardinduvillage.ca (Etienne Goyer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:23:56 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] heat cables In-Reply-To: <54E34B48.9090102@rhomestead.com> References: <54E2A19E.7030201@rhomestead.com> <54E32DF2.6020609@lejardinduvillage.ca> <54E34B48.9090102@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <54E3A35C.9000802@lejardinduvillage.ca> I use them in two ways: - Dug about 8" underground to warm the soil for early transplants; - About a foot apart above ground, to warm the air under the row cover of very early transplants. In 2013, I also built a 4' x 8' seedling table with an 80" cable, loops 5-6" apart buried a couple inches in damp sand. It worked very well, but the table is just too heavy to be practical. This year, I want to build something similar, but lighter-weight (styrofoam under the cable, and some conductive material on top to spread the heat). I've read somewhere that you need about 12W per square foot to provide adequate heat; Easy Heat cable usually deliver 5W per linear foot (80' cable = 400W), so you can do the math for yourself. Good luck with that! Etienne On 15-02-17 09:08 AM, Beth Spaugh wrote: > Thanks Etienne. That is exactly the one I have. I am using an extension > cord (not much choice), but a real heavy duty one (DH is a carpenter so > we have heavy ones). I did not leave it on long last night when > testing. I will turn it on today and leave it to test. I may have to > forgo the thermostat automation and just turn it on in the afternoon to > heat the plug trays and leave it on over night. I was originally > concerned about "cooking" the plugs, but don't think that will be a > problem. > Reassuring to know they work for you. I have them strung 6 to 7 inches > apart. How close are yours? > > On 2/17/2015 7:02 AM, Etienne Goyer wrote: >> I am using this brand of heat cable: >> >> http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Heating-Ventilation-Cooling-Home-Comfort/Heating/Cables/Roof-Pipe/61-Meter-Roof-Gutter-De-icing-Kit/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I5513269?Ntt=heating+cable >> >> >> >> It does get quite warm, although not to the point that you cannot hold >> it in your hand when plugged in. >> >> You probably thought about it already, but just in case, have you tried >> to plug it somewhere else? If you use an extension cord, for example, >> perhaps you don't get enough amps to get the cable real warm. Something >> to try. >> >> >> >> On 15-02-16 09:04 PM, Beth Spaugh wrote: >>> There was discussion that some folks used roof gutter deicing cables for >>> bottom heat. How warm do these get? >>> >>> I just set up an 8 x 16 foam "table" with 200 feet of the cable. >>> Before >>> putting plants on figured I'd better test. The cable barely gets warm, >>> certainly not hot. I was planning on using this in my unheated >>> hoophouse to keep seedlings from freezing at night. I can't see that it >>> will put out near enough heat, fast enough. I have it on a "cube" >>> thermostat, to come on at 35 and off at 45. I was planning on keeping >>> the whole thing full of flats, and that the heat would come up through >>> the plugs, making nice warm roots. Seriously doubting this will happen. >>> >>> Hopefully after this week we will be done with frequent below zero >>> nights. I know that with frequent daytime sunshine, under row cover it >>> seldom gets below 15. Because of condensed ice on the bottom of the row >>> cover. If it doesn't freeze I don't know that I'll get that extra >>> protection. But I do have three layers of ag-19 row cover plus a light >>> plastic, and can lay foamboard over the top (sides just row cover and >>> plastic). >>> >>> Those who have used these - please chime in with your experience. Thank >>> you. >>> > -- Etienne Goyer - Le Jardin du Village http://lejardinduvillage.wordpress.com "Changer le monde, une betterave ? la fois" From darren at thegardenspace.com Fri Feb 20 01:54:38 2015 From: darren at thegardenspace.com (Darren Young) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:54:38 -0600 Subject: [Market-farming] Heating mats and thermostat for sale Message-ID: I have (2) Pro-Grow PM-4 22"x46" heavy duty heat mats and a Pro-Grow thermostat for sale. I used these on shelves for seed starting for 3 years. They are *very* heavy duty, each one will hold (4) 1020 trays. I also have a Pro-Grow GC-1 120v thermostat to control them. The GC-1 has only one output on it, I used a power strip to connect the heating mats to it. All of the specs say the GC-1 can handle 720 watts which equates to 1-2 mats. The mats cost around $140 each new, the thermostat was around $80 for a total of $360. I'm asking $200 for the set of (2) PM-4 mats and (1) GC-1 thermostat. They're in very good shape, I cleaned them after every use. Links to the mats online are here , the controller link is here . Contact me off list via email if you're interested, darren at thegardenspace.com. I can send pics if necessary. Total shipping weight for the set is 22 lbs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikerock at mhtc.net Fri Feb 27 18:33:44 2015 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (mikerock) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:33:44 -0600 Subject: [Market-farming] Ginger Message-ID: <54F0FED8.1010309@mhtc.net> Our first package arrived today in good shape. Mike -- Rock Creek Mill & Heritage Farm, LLC N7297 County Road A Argyle, Wisconsin 53504 608-636-3322 From organic87 at frontiernet.net Fri Feb 27 18:52:41 2015 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:52:41 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Ginger In-Reply-To: <54F0FED8.1010309@mhtc.net> References: <54F0FED8.1010309@mhtc.net> Message-ID: <4319D1FD-C88B-4596-911F-7D6E02104623@frontiernet.net> I'm glad I didn't ask for mine till later -- very cold out there right now, and I might not have been home to take it in instantly. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale ' On Feb 27, 2015, at 6:33 PM, mikerock wrote: > Our first package arrived today in good shape. > > Mike > -- > Rock Creek Mill & Heritage Farm, LLC > N7297 County Road A > Argyle, Wisconsin 53504 > 608-636-3322 > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From alison.wiediger at hart.kyschools.us Fri Feb 27 18:58:05 2015 From: alison.wiediger at hart.kyschools.us (Wiediger, Alison) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:58:05 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] Ginger In-Reply-To: <4319D1FD-C88B-4596-911F-7D6E02104623@frontiernet.net> References: <54F0FED8.1010309@mhtc.net>, <4319D1FD-C88B-4596-911F-7D6E02104623@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <87375446-DC97-4ABA-86CB-D22FFED5671B@hart.kyschools.us> Ours were on the way for a week! But when they finally arrived, were in good shape. Alison Wiediger, Au Naturel Farm Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Road's End Farm > wrote: I'm glad I didn't ask for mine till later -- very cold out there right now, and I might not have been home to take it in instantly. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale ' On Feb 27, 2015, at 6:33 PM, mikerock wrote: Our first package arrived today in good shape. 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URL: From deb at mobiusfields.com Fri Feb 27 20:00:18 2015 From: deb at mobiusfields.com (Deb Taft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:00:18 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Ginger In-Reply-To: <87375446-DC97-4ABA-86CB-D22FFED5671B@hart.kyschools.us> References: <54F0FED8.1010309@mhtc.net> <4319D1FD-C88B-4596-911F-7D6E02104623@frontiernet.net> <87375446-DC97-4ABA-86CB-D22FFED5671B@hart.kyschools.us> Message-ID: I got mine today too! Looks good. Hard to wrap my head around it being time already with a foot of snow out there and a forecast of 4 overnight. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Wiediger, Alison < alison.wiediger at hart.kyschools.us> wrote: > Ours were on the way for a week! But when they finally arrived, were in > good shape. > > Alison Wiediger, Au Naturel Farm > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 27, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Road's End Farm > wrote: > > I'm glad I didn't ask for mine till later -- very cold out there right > now, and I might not have been home to take it in instantly. > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > ' > On Feb 27, 2015, at 6:33 PM, mikerock wrote: > > Our first package arrived today in good shape. > > Mike > -- > Rock Creek Mill & Heritage Farm, LLC > N7297 County Road A > Argyle, Wisconsin 53504 > 608-636-3322 > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Fri Feb 27 22:14:57 2015 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:14:57 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] Ginger In-Reply-To: References: <54F0FED8.1010309@mhtc.net> <4319D1FD-C88B-4596-911F-7D6E02104623@frontiernet.net> <87375446-DC97-4ABA-86CB-D22FFED5671B@hart.kyschools.us> Message-ID: <54F132B1.3070809@rhomestead.com> Our ginger came this week. Gorgeous. The roots were cold but apparently not damaged. Not so fortunate with some grated tomato plants this week. They rode around in a UPS truck until early afternoon. Then the driver just left them on our front porch. Luckily I was having late lunch in the house so retrieved them. But he didn't even ring the doorbell. Just left them. WIth big big big "Live Plants - Perishable" on all four sides of the box. Granted, it was a warmer day, in the low teens, but... They were well wrapped, but less than half came through unscathed. Those are beautiful though. Replacements coming next week, hopefully with better luck. On 2/27/2015 8:00 PM, Deb Taft wrote: > > I got mine today too! Looks good. Hard to wrap my head around it > being time already with a foot of snow out there and a forecast of 4 > overnight. > > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Wiediger, Alison > > wrote: > > Ours were on the way for a week! But when they finally arrived, > were in good shape. > > Alison Wiediger, Au Naturel Farm > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 27, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Road's End Farm > > wrote: > > I'm glad I didn't ask for mine till later -- very cold out there > right now, and I might not have been home to take it in instantly. > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > ' > On Feb 27, 2015, at 6:33 PM, mikerock wrote: > >> Our first package arrived today in good shape. >> >> Mike >> -- >> Rock Creek Mill & Heritage Farm, LLC >> N7297 County Road A >> Argyle, Wisconsin 53504 >> 608-636-3322 >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with > your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with > your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wshoemak at illinois.edu Sat Feb 28 11:10:15 2015 From: wshoemak at illinois.edu (Shoemaker, William H) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:10:15 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] Ginger In-Reply-To: <54F132B1.3070809@rhomestead.com> References: <54F0FED8.1010309@mhtc.net> <4319D1FD-C88B-4596-911F-7D6E02104623@frontiernet.net> <87375446-DC97-4ABA-86CB-D22FFED5671B@hart.kyschools.us> , <54F132B1.3070809@rhomestead.com> Message-ID: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A573508D9B2B@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> This issue of delivery trucks dropping off packages without even attempting notification is beginning to bug me (a horticultural disparagement). While I haven't had plant material damaged yet, we had a package delivered by USPS in December from my mother-in-law with excellent things for the season, like WI cheese. We had no idea, it was a surprise, We found it the next day with a hole in the side where a squirrel had tried to pull out a plastic bag full of lefsa (obviously a Norwegian squirrel). Everything else was intact though. What really bugged me was that it was certain that we were near the front door when it was dropped off. Just one knock, or hit on the doorbell would have done it. There needs to be a better way of ensuring packages are handled safely. It could have been a neighbor instead of a squirrel, then the whole package would've disappeared! Bill William H. Shoemaker Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist University of Illinois wshoemak at illinois.edu ________________________________ From: Market-farming [market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Beth Spaugh [lists at rhomestead.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:14 PM To: Market Farming Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Ginger Our ginger came this week. Gorgeous. The roots were cold but apparently not damaged. Not so fortunate with some grated tomato plants this week. They rode around in a UPS truck until early afternoon. Then the driver just left them on our front porch. Luckily I was having late lunch in the house so retrieved them. But he didn't even ring the doorbell. Just left them. WIth big big big "Live Plants - Perishable" on all four sides of the box. Granted, it was a warmer day, in the low teens, but... They were well wrapped, but less than half came through unscathed. Those are beautiful though. Replacements coming next week, hopefully with better luck. On 2/27/2015 8:00 PM, Deb Taft wrote: I got mine today too! Looks good. Hard to wrap my head around it being time already with a foot of snow out there and a forecast of 4 overnight. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Wiediger, Alison > wrote: Ours were on the way for a week! But when they finally arrived, were in good shape. Alison Wiediger, Au Naturel Farm Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Road's End Farm > wrote: I'm glad I didn't ask for mine till later -- very cold out there right now, and I might not have been home to take it in instantly. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale ' On Feb 27, 2015, at 6:33 PM, mikerock wrote: Our first package arrived today in good shape. Mike -- Rock Creek Mill & Heritage Farm, LLC N7297 County Road A Argyle, Wisconsin 53504 608-636-3322 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davepurpura at yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 12:22:47 2015 From: davepurpura at yahoo.com (david purpura) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Market-farming] Woodward Crossing Wunderbar Tool System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151988685.382658.1425144167892.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?Hi All.? I bought one of these last year.? It works slick!? I bought a 48" wide one and pulled it with a 33 hp compact tractor, 4wd.? I'm pretty sure a smaller tractor would pull it, it doesn't seem like it takes too much.? It's much easier on a cleaner bed, thick weeds can choke it and cause it to pull out of the ground (we never had this problem of course).? You dig a little trench at the top of the bed, crosswise, so it's only a 8" deep by 48" wide trench, not a lot of work.? I don't use raised beds.? It's very heavy duty steel construction.? We used it on garlic and carrots and glads.? I might try it this year on dahlias... dave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the Woodward Crossing suite of tools, especially the undercutter?? On the topic of undercutters, I'm curious about horsepower requirements and the difference in functionality and performance between simple undercutter bars (such as made by Woodward Crossing and others) compared to PTO driven undercutters.? Does the PTO driven type help with less than ideal soil conditions?? The Woodward Crossing site suggests that their tool works best in suitable, well-prepared, raised beds and they recommend digging a trench at the head of each bed to get started.? I have short bed lengths and am not interested in digging a whole series of trenches! -John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikerock at mhtc.net Sat Feb 28 15:01:30 2015 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (mikerock) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:01:30 -0600 Subject: [Market-farming] Ginger In-Reply-To: <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A573508D9B2B@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <54F0FED8.1010309@mhtc.net> <4319D1FD-C88B-4596-911F-7D6E02104623@frontiernet.net> <87375446-DC97-4ABA-86CB-D22FFED5671B@hart.kyschools.us> , <54F132B1.3070809@rhomestead.com> <5A85FA1DC3DB524491801C112E78A573508D9B2B@CITESMBX2.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <54F21E9A.3080202@mhtc.net> Bill, If it had been Lutefisk no one would have touched it!! On 2/28/2015 10:10 AM, Shoemaker, William H wrote: > This issue of delivery trucks dropping off packages without even > attempting notification is beginning to bug me (a horticultural > disparagement). While I haven't had plant material damaged yet, we had a > package delivered by USPS in December from my mother-in-law with > excellent things for the season, like WI cheese. We had no idea, it was > a surprise, We found it the next day with a hole in the side where a > squirrel had tried to pull out a plastic bag full of lefsa (obviously a > Norwegian squirrel). Everything else was intact though. What really > bugged me was that it was certain that we were near the front door when > it was dropped off. Just one knock, or hit on the doorbell would have > done it. There needs to be a better way of ensuring packages are handled > safely. It could have been a neighbor instead of a squirrel, then the From eglatyne at tds.net Sat Feb 28 21:02:26 2015 From: eglatyne at tds.net (Carol Thomas) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:02:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Market-farming] ginger In-Reply-To: <652978010.19819106.1425175157550.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> Message-ID: <531594764.19822115.1425175346179.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> I unfortunately bought some organic ginger from Azur standard and the corms were terrible, barely eatable and of course they didn't grow. Where are you buying your ginger corms from? and Good to hear from all of you now that winter is passing quickly away, in case you wondered I live in the NW and winter has been quite short. What next is the question. Carol , Sweet Briar Zone 8/ cool From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sat Feb 28 21:29:12 2015 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] ginger In-Reply-To: <531594764.19822115.1425175346179.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> References: <531594764.19822115.1425175346179.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> Message-ID: <5962D957-1038-4951-8A8A-953B5521C779@frontiernet.net> Puna Organic, but I believe they've been sold out for the season for some time now. Winter is still definitely with us here -- low last night was minus 2? F and there's about two feet snow pack on the ground. It's supposed to make it above freezing briefly next Wednesday, though. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale On Feb 28, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Carol Thomas wrote: > I unfortunately bought some organic ginger from Azur standard and the corms were terrible, barely eatable and of course they didn't grow. Where are you buying your ginger corms from? and Good to hear from all of you now that winter is passing quickly away, in case you wondered I live in the NW and winter has been quite short. What next is the question. Carol , Sweet Briar Zone 8/ cool -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at rhomestead.com Sat Feb 28 22:07:24 2015 From: lists at rhomestead.com (Beth Spaugh) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 22:07:24 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] ginger In-Reply-To: <531594764.19822115.1425175346179.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> References: <531594764.19822115.1425175346179.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net> Message-ID: <54F2826C.4040806@rhomestead.com> From Puna/Biker Dude, but they are sold out. And tonight is supposed to only get down to 2, the first night above zero in a LONGGGGGG time. The last week or two we have had mostly sunny days, and the angle of the sun is much stronger, so the hoophouse has been really pleasant from about 10 to 3. I appreciate that we have had solid snow cover to protect perennials. Mixed feelings about spring. I'd like spring, but am dreading mud season that comes between now and spring. On 2/28/2015 9:02 PM, Carol Thomas wrote: > I unfortunately bought some organic ginger from Azur standard and the corms were terrible, barely eatable and of course they didn't grow. Where are you buying your ginger corms from? and Good to hear from all of you now that winter is passing quickly away, in case you wondered I live in the NW and winter has been quite short. What next is the question. Carol , Sweet Briar Zone 8/ cool > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -- Beth Spaugh Rehoboth Homestead, Peru NY http://rhomestead.com http://www.facebook.com/rhomestead "How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is used." - Wendell Berry "Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances Moore Lappe It's not that nice guys finish last. They have a whole different notion where the finish line is. - unknown