From mikerock at mhtc.net Sat Oct 25 00:08:47 2014 From: mikerock at mhtc.net (Mike Rock) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 23:08:47 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] ALLIS G--- In Wisconsin, hope someone needs them. Message-ID: <544B224F.2010804@mhtc.net> http://madison.craigslist.org/grd/4689802595.html -- Rock Creek Mill & Heritage Farm, LLC N7297 County Road A Argyle, Wisconsin 53504 608-636-3322 From stonecirclefarm at tds.net Mon Oct 27 09:50:40 2014 From: stonecirclefarm at tds.net (stonecirclefarm tds.net) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:50:40 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed Message-ID: Any recommendations for the best design for a drain for a washing and packing shed? I would like to be able to wash root crops during the winter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From artisanfarms at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 22:24:41 2014 From: artisanfarms at gmail.com (Andy Fellenz) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:24:41 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I installed a 10' channel drain in the floor. http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=372746-676-764&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=50063811&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 . The floor is pitched so that the water flows toward the drain. It works really well On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM, stonecirclefarm tds.net < stonecirclefarm at tds.net> wrote: > Any recommendations for the best design for a drain for a washing and > packing shed? I would like to be able to wash root crops during the winter. > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdbrabo at att.net Mon Oct 27 22:43:09 2014 From: mdbrabo at att.net (Mike Brabo) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:43:09 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andy I noticed this in the link. ? Class B Load Rated This channel is recommended for medium-duty pneumatic tire traffic,? Are you using only pneumatic tires or are you also using solid tire pallet jacks? Thanks Mike > On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Andy Fellenz wrote: > > I installed a 10' channel drain in the floor. http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=372746-676-764&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=50063811&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 . > > The floor is pitched so that the water flows toward the drain. > > It works really well > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM, stonecirclefarm tds.net > wrote: > Any recommendations for the best design for a drain for a washing and packing shed? I would like to be able to wash root crops during the winter. > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stonecirclefarm at tds.net Mon Oct 27 23:22:11 2014 From: stonecirclefarm at tds.net (stonecirclefarm tds.net) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:22:11 -0500 Subject: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The thing I am most concerned about is clogging due to debris and soil. Any problems with ours, Andy? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Andy Fellenz wrote: > I installed a 10' channel drain in the floor. > http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=372746-676-764&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=50063811&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 > . > > The floor is pitched so that the water flows toward the drain. > > It works really well > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM, stonecirclefarm tds.net < > stonecirclefarm at tds.net> wrote: > >> Any recommendations for the best design for a drain for a washing and >> packing shed? I would like to be able to wash root crops during the winter. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Market-farming mailing list >> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming >> >> Market Farming List Archives may be found here: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ >> Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email >> address and password): >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From artisanfarms at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 08:16:18 2014 From: artisanfarms at gmail.com (Andy Fellenz) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:16:18 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, I have a small farm and don't wash in pallet quantities. I use dollies to hold the produce totes and scoot them around the packshed. The heaviest weight I would ever potentially move over the drain is ~500lbs, when I am handling potatoes. Andy On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Mike Brabo wrote: > Andy > > I noticed this in the link. ? > > - Class B Load Rated > - This channel is recommended for medium-duty pneumatic tire traffic,? > > Are you using only pneumatic tires or are you also using solid tire pallet > jacks? > > Thanks > Mike > > On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Andy Fellenz wrote: > > I installed a 10' channel drain in the floor. > http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=372746-676-764&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=50063811&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 > . > > The floor is pitched so that the water flows toward the drain. > > It works really well > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM, stonecirclefarm tds.net < > stonecirclefarm at tds.net> wrote: > >> Any recommendations for the best design for a drain for a washing and >> packing shed? I would like to be able to wash root crops during the winter. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Market-farming mailing list >> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming >> >> Market Farming List Archives may be found here: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ >> Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email >> address and password): >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming >> > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From artisanfarms at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 08:22:57 2014 From: artisanfarms at gmail.com (Andy Fellenz) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:22:57 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I pull the tops off of the drain several times a year and muck out the drain. I have a filter piece at the transition to the drain pipe that catches larger chunks before the water gets in the drain pipe. This seems to catch most of the soil and all of the large particles/pieces of vegetable matter before the wash water is actually in the drain line. Occasionally, when we are washing leafy crops, waste will accumulate on top of a portion of the drain as the crew strips off bad leaves and misses the scrap bucket when they drop them. Even when this happens, enough of the drain is exposed to ensure that the wash water drains away. Right now, the water just drains off the side of the building and down the hill. I'll be putting in a piece of perforated drain line this fall to take it away from the building. When I do this, I'll install a small catch basin at the transition to allow even more soil to settle out of the water before the wash water enters the perforated drain line. Andy On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:22 PM, stonecirclefarm tds.net < stonecirclefarm at tds.net> wrote: > The thing I am most concerned about is clogging due to debris and soil. > Any problems with ours, Andy? > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Andy Fellenz > wrote: > >> I installed a 10' channel drain in the floor. >> http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=372746-676-764&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=50063811&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 >> . >> >> The floor is pitched so that the water flows toward the drain. >> >> It works really well >> >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM, stonecirclefarm tds.net < >> stonecirclefarm at tds.net> wrote: >> >>> Any recommendations for the best design for a drain for a washing and >>> packing shed? I would like to be able to wash root crops during the winter. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Market-farming mailing list >>> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming >>> >>> Market Farming List Archives may be found here: >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ >>> Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email >>> address and password): >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Market-farming mailing list >> Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming >> >> Market Farming List Archives may be found here: >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ >> Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email >> address and password): >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From etienne at lejardinduvillage.ca Tue Oct 28 10:25:47 2014 From: etienne at lejardinduvillage.ca (Etienne Goyer) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:25:47 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <544FA76B.8090408@lejardinduvillage.ca> Just small comment. On 14-10-28 08:22 AM, Andy Fellenz wrote: > Right now, the water just drains off the side of the building and down > the hill. I'll be putting in a piece of perforated drain line this fall > to take it away from the building. When I do this, I'll install a small > catch basin at the transition to allow even more soil to settle out of > the water before the wash water enters the perforated drain line. I am actually building a washing and packing area. For the drain, I decided to go with regular sewer line (the 4" white ABS pipe). It more expensive, but I fear a perforated drain would accumulate soil particle and muck in the concentric grooves, and would thus tend to block. Just sayin'. -- Etienne Goyer - Le Jardin du Village http://lejardinduvillage.wordpress.com "Changer le monde, une betterave ? la fois" From artisanfarms at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 12:39:31 2014 From: artisanfarms at gmail.com (Andy Fellenz) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:39:31 -0400 Subject: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed In-Reply-To: <544FA76B.8090408@lejardinduvillage.ca> References: <544FA76B.8090408@lejardinduvillage.ca> Message-ID: Good point, but I would like the water to leach out over a large area following the run of the pipe, rather than have it all discharge into a ditch along the hedgerow. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Etienne Goyer < etienne at lejardinduvillage.ca> wrote: > Just small comment. > > On 14-10-28 08:22 AM, Andy Fellenz wrote: > > Right now, the water just drains off the side of the building and down > > the hill. I'll be putting in a piece of perforated drain line this fall > > to take it away from the building. When I do this, I'll install a small > > catch basin at the transition to allow even more soil to settle out of > > the water before the wash water enters the perforated drain line. > > I am actually building a washing and packing area. For the drain, I > decided to go with regular sewer line (the 4" white ABS pipe). It more > expensive, but I fear a perforated drain would accumulate soil particle > and muck in the concentric grooves, and would thus tend to block. > > Just sayin'. > > -- > Etienne Goyer - Le Jardin du Village > http://lejardinduvillage.wordpress.com > > "Changer le monde, une betterave ? la fois" > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgh26 at cornell.edu Tue Oct 28 10:47:00 2014 From: rgh26 at cornell.edu (Robert G. Hadad) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:47:00 +0000 Subject: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ef8301667614b80b3a883297d88c3c6@BL2PR04MB834.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Hi Andy and all, Where will the water be discharged to from the drains? Is it going out to a septic system, a grassy/vegetative area, or just into the ground? Thanks. Robert From: Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Andy Fellenz Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:23 AM To: Market Farming Subject: Re: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed I pull the tops off of the drain several times a year and muck out the drain. I have a filter piece at the transition to the drain pipe that catches larger chunks before the water gets in the drain pipe. This seems to catch most of the soil and all of the large particles/pieces of vegetable matter before the wash water is actually in the drain line. Occasionally, when we are washing leafy crops, waste will accumulate on top of a portion of the drain as the crew strips off bad leaves and misses the scrap bucket when they drop them. Even when this happens, enough of the drain is exposed to ensure that the wash water drains away. Right now, the water just drains off the side of the building and down the hill. I'll be putting in a piece of perforated drain line this fall to take it away from the building. When I do this, I'll install a small catch basin at the transition to allow even more soil to settle out of the water before the wash water enters the perforated drain line. Andy On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:22 PM, stonecirclefarm tds.net > wrote: The thing I am most concerned about is clogging due to debris and soil. Any problems with ours, Andy? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Andy Fellenz > wrote: I installed a 10' channel drain in the floor. http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=372746-676-764&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=50063811&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1. The floor is pitched so that the water flows toward the drain. It works really well On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM, stonecirclefarm tds.net > wrote: Any recommendations for the best design for a drain for a washing and packing shed? I would like to be able to wash root crops during the winter. _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming _______________________________________________ Market-farming mailing list Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming Market Farming List Archives may be found here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email address and password): http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it going out > to a septic system, a grassy/vegetative area, or just into the ground? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Robert > > > > *From:* Market-farming [mailto:market-farming-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] *On > Behalf Of *Andy Fellenz > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:23 AM > *To:* Market Farming > *Subject:* Re: [Market-farming] drain for washing and packing shed > > > > I pull the tops off of the drain several times a year and muck out the > drain. I have a filter piece at the transition to the drain pipe that > catches larger chunks before the water gets in the drain pipe. This seems > to catch most of the soil and all of the large particles/pieces of > vegetable matter before the wash water is actually in the drain line. > Occasionally, when we are washing leafy crops, waste will accumulate on > top of a portion of the drain as the crew strips off bad leaves and misses > the scrap bucket when they drop them. Even when this happens, enough of > the drain is exposed to ensure that the wash water drains away. > > Right now, the water just drains off the side of the building and down the > hill. I'll be putting in a piece of perforated drain line this fall to > take it away from the building. When I do this, I'll install a small catch > basin at the transition to allow even more soil to settle out of the water > before the wash water enters the perforated drain line. > > Andy > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:22 PM, stonecirclefarm tds.net < > stonecirclefarm at tds.net> wrote: > > The thing I am most concerned about is clogging due to debris and soil. > Any problems with ours, Andy? > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Andy Fellenz > wrote: > > I installed a 10' channel drain in the floor. > http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=372746-676-764&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=50063811&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 > . > > The floor is pitched so that the water flows toward the drain. > > > > It works really well > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM, stonecirclefarm tds.net < > stonecirclefarm at tds.net> wrote: > > Any recommendations for the best design for a drain for a washing and > packing shed? I would like to be able to wash root crops during the winter. > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > > > > _______________________________________________ > Market-farming mailing list > Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/market-farming > > Market Farming List Archives may be found here: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/market-farming/ > Unsubscribe from the list here (you will need to login in with your email > address and password): > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/market-farming > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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