[Market-farming] Market-farming Digest, Vol 109, Issue 27

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Thu Feb 23 14:17:47 EST 2012

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Today's Topics:

   1. Jang Seeder (S Brocaar)
   2. Re: taking the plunge (S Brocaar)
   3. Re: taking the plunge (david purpura)
   4. Re: taking the plunge (KAKerby at aol.com)
   5. Re: Jang Seeder (Etienne Goyer)
   6. Re: Jang Seeder ( rstewart at zoomtown.com )
   7. Re: Jang Seeder (Andy Fellenz)


Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:31:06 -0500
From: "S Brocaar" <sjfb at worldpath.net>
Subject: [Market-farming] Jang Seeder
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Hello All,

We are in the market for a tool to help us with seeding. After years of
doing all our field direct seeding by hand, including using the vibrator
seeder for the last couple seasons (great for small amounts of fine seed and
seeding into trays), we have to do something else to be more time efficient.
My Mother's old Earthway seeder worked sorta alright for beans last year;
definitely does not work well in our soils for fine seed crops. We will
continue to use the Earthway for legumes.

I read good things about the Jang push seeders. Anyone with experience using
same that they would share? I am looking at the single row model; also
thinking about the 3-row push model as well. Pros/cons? Does anyone use the
double opening disk and/or double shoe options? We are working approximately
1 acre, often rocky, sandy loam, fair drainage, raised beds, intensive
production; hoping to move to nearly year round cropping in the next year or
so. Getting ready to plant peas this week in our new Rolling Thunder!

Thanks for any advice.

Sandy Brocaar
MiVida Gardens
Growing Natures Way in Silver Lake, NH
(Mount Washington Valley in NH)
Now - Zone 5B (I think) - altho this winter it is more like zone 6/7 - only
3 nights below 0F


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:31:06 -0500
From: "S Brocaar" <sjfb at worldpath.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] taking the plunge
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Hello Kathryn,

We here at MiVida Gardens are also taking the plunge towards organic
certification this year. Like you, we have spent much time explaining how we
grow to those who would like to see the "official seal of approval" - not
that it will change how we grow; just the level of detail in record keeping.
In comparing the requirements with our current records - there really isn't
much more needed - just have to be more disciplined about it! That will be a
good thing for business analysis throughout the years.

Regarding the levels of detail requested - I suggest talking with your
certifier to determine what they would like to see. I have found our state
certifier easy to work with. Also, be sure to check out the certification
cost sharing programs avail from USDA.

Sandy Brocaar
MiVida Gardens
Growing Natures Way in Silver Lake

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   2. taking the plunge (KAKerby at aol.com)

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:20:35 -0500 (EST)
From: KAKerby at aol.com
Subject: [Market-farming] taking the plunge
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Hey everyone, here's hoping you all have had a nice weekend.  I just  spent
the whole day here going through a bunch of online documentation, and
comparing what we do to what would need to be done, to become certified
organic.  I think <insert big inhale> we're going to submit our  paperwork
and go for it - for both crops and livestock production.  We've  been so
close for so long, and now that we're selling meat it just seems like  "the
thing to do" for a variety of reasons.  The pain-in-the-butt factor is
right up there of course, and I'm not even entirely sure if our pricing
would  change a lot.  But after going through yet another round of "no we're
not  certified but here's how we do things....." conversations with
potential buyers,  I just finally decided it was time.

So, for all those who are already certified organic, you might have a  new
fledgling member soon amongst your ranks.  I have already put in an  email
to our local Tilth group to see who's certified organic and would be
willing/able to answer some newbie questions.  But if anyone on this list
would be willing to do the same, even though you're in another state and
another certifying agency, I'd sure love to know if I'd be able to send you
I sort of feel like I'm warming up for a much bigger ball game, and about to
take my first time at batt.  Not even hoping to hit it out of the park; just
want a fair pitch, a clean hit and a safe run around  the bases.  Guess

I'm looking for a first base coach (and maybe some  cheerleaders).........
Kathryn Kerby, who doesn't normally resort to sports metaphors
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"Here in MA there is no certified processor, so in the end you can't sell
certified beef, pork, or lamb." In central MA, Adams Farm Slaughterhouse,
Athol, is certified organic. Please let me know if you need further contact
information. Nora


Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:58:44 -0800 (PST)
From: david purpura <davepurpura at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] taking the plunge
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Hi Kathryn, and all.? Aside from not wanting to carry on the conversation
about your growing practices (which you will still need to do, by the way)
you don't address one question - why would you?? Are you unable to sell what
you grow currently?? Will you be able to charge a premium for certifying??
Will you stand out in your markets by being certified?? It seems to me you
need to weigh the answers to those questions to decide if it's worth it to

I know many quality farmers that follow organic practices, but won't do the
paperwork.? My unopened re-cert package is lying on my desk like a ticking
time bomb.? It's only inertia that keeps me signing up again each year, I
can't really get any premium anymore at the markets.

On a practical note - are you able to sell certified meat?? Here in MA there
is no certified processor, so in the end you can't sell certified beef,
pork, or lamb.? There is some kind of loophole for poultry.? So I don't
certify meat, which makes me a 'split' operation, even though everything
more than meets the standards.

I wouldn't struggle too much on detail, they'll tell you if something is
missing.? My experience has been that they're generally helpful, and want
you to succeed, it's more money for the certifier after all... And it's all
much easier after year one, most of the blanks are already filled in, just
minor changes year to year.

Good luck!
plato's harvest organic farm
SE MA ?? 

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