[Market-farming] Squash bug control -- organic livestock

Andy Fellenz fellenz at fltg.net
Sat Oct 31 18:55:50 EDT 2009

The rule refers to crops being grown, not birds being free ranged.  You 
cannot sell crops harvested from ground that you free ranged your birds 
on, if the birds were on the ground within 90-120 days of harvest. 


sals3 wrote:
> who told you you can't range feed birds on your land and be organic 
> that's not a rule.  and you can use the animals just don't sell them 
> as organic sell them to the folks that like antibiotics in the meat. 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Road's End Farm <mailto:organic87 at frontiernet.net>
>     *To:* Market Farming <mailto:market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:04 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Market-farming] Squash bug control -- organic
>     livestock
>     On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Wiener, Benjamin L CPT NG NG FORSCOM
>     wrote:
>         One of the reasons I will never be certified organic is the
>         sheer stupidity of some of the rules. If guinea fowl cannot be
>         used because of the tiny ammount of droppings they would
>         leave, then what do organic growers do to exclude wild birds
>         that already deposit droppings in the field? There is a huge
>         difference in quantity between applying manure for fertility
>         and using a natural method of bug control. You can't even use
>         manure from animals that recieve adequate veterinary care.
>         What a bunch of BS (pun intended).
>     I agree that some of the rules don't make lots of sense
>     (especially some of the ones imposed by the federal rule). But you
>     not only can "use manure from animals that receive adequate
>     veterinary care", organic livestock raisers are *required* to
>     provide adequate veterinary care. (Reference: USDA organic
>     standards section 205.238.)
>     On the rare occasions when permitted methods (and there are quite
>     a few of them, including a number ordinarily administered by
>     veterinarians) are insufficient, the producer is required to treat
>     the sick animal even if it will therefore lose its organic status;
>     but most livestock never need such treatment, as they can be kept
>     in good health without it.
>     I also don't think that manure has to be from animals meeting
>     certification standards, though I think some certifiers want
>     manure from some sources to be checked for toxins; but I haven't
>     had to check this recently as I don't use raw manures.
>     -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
>     Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
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