[Market-farming] Organic Remedies for Pest Control

Robin Follette list at seasonseatingsfarm.com
Sat Jun 13 09:30:41 EDT 2009


>>>Since your possibilities are limited (if you don't have room for a little 
>>>buckwheat, then you wouldn't have room for vetch either), it looks like 
>>>you are limited to using Entrust or some other organic pesticide, if 
>>>there is such a thing.

I'm not limited to pesticides. They're a last resort.  I said, " When there 
are more larva than the chickens and ducks can control..."  Technically, 
yes, the birds are a pesticide since they're killing pests.  A small flock 
of ducks can do a lot of damage to the number of pests very quickly.  I 
watched two ducklings learn about grasshoppers yesterday.  It took a few 
tries but it wasn't long before they learned how to catch them.  They're 
fawn and white runners, not yet a foot tall and still fluffy.


>>>Using those pesticides is best done in rotation, if possible.

I'm well aware of this.


>>>I am sorry to hear that have no extra space to grow any cover crops along 
>>>with your edibles.

Covers are part of the crop rotation.


>>>I am concerned that if you don't take even a little bit of space for some 
>>>beneficial insect attractor (just part of a row, preferably in the middle 
>>>or along an edge(s) of your spud patch) that you will experience some 
>>>level of resistance by the potato beetle to the pesticides you use.  I 
>>>understand that there is already some resistance to spinosad by the CPB.

I didn't say I don't use space for beneficial attractors.  I said "There 
isn't any extra place to plant buckwheat."  Each section is divided by a 
buffer of plants that attract beneficials.  Some of those buffers are also 
in place for erosion control because water drains through small section of 
the field.  I live in a water shed so I'm extremely careful of erosion, 
pollution, etc.  Before you assume I don't know how to manage this I'll add 
that my husband is CoB of our county's Soil & Water Conservation and serves 
as VP of the Maine Association of Conservation Districts.  We're well versed 
in this too.


>>>I am not familiar with Eliot's field layout plans, but will take look at 
>>>some time.  I believe that incorporating companion plants into a crop 
>>>plan, such as buckwheat, nasturtium, marigold et al. is an essential part 
>>>of a longterm sustainable garden or farm.

I didn't say I don't companion plant.


>>>Do as you please,

Gee thanks! <grin>  I'm not new at this. I do know what I'm doing.


>>>but I truly believe that pesticides should be a last resort...only in 
>>>case of emergency.

So do I.  I gave a recommendation for an organic pesticide that works on 
CPB, that's all.  I don't know why we got into this conversation.

I've learned a lot in 20something years I've been producing food.  The 
20something years doesn't include the time I spent in the garden as a child. 
Back then I had no appreciation for it and disappeared every chance I got.


Robin
Seasons Eatings Farm
Talmadge, Maine

"Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances 
Moore Lappe

Kurt Forman
Clearview Farm
Palmyra, NY 14522

--- list at seasonseatingsfarm.com wrote:

From: "Robin Follette" <list at seasonseatingsfarm.com>
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Organic Remedies for Pest Control
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:40:30 -0400


>>>Spraying is okay, but unless you rotate the agents you use, you will 
>>>quickly see CO potato beetle resistance (so I am told).  If you were to 
>>>back up the calendar, you could plant hairy vetch early the fall before 
>>>and plow down all of it, as a nitrogen providing cover crop, except for a 
>>>border around your crop, that should deter the beetle from moving into 
>>>the spuds.

If I were to be able to stop the snow a month earlier, thaw the ground and 
control spring rain I could probably also back up the calendar.

>>>Unless you grow alot of taters, you can pick them off and pinch them dead 
>>>or put them in a can of kerosene or Diesel fuel or maybe gasoline.

We grow more than can be managed by hand picking.


>>>Also, rotating your crop to a distant location the next year will help.

I always rotate.  They're here this year, a half mile away next year.

>>> Lastly, work with my Cornell veg specialist has indicated that planting 
>>> buckwheat next to the spuds attracts beneficial predators of the beetle. 
>>> I much prefer mechanical and\or cultural controls to pesticides that 
>>> result in resistance, which CO spud bug seems to have a knack for.

There isn't any extra place to plant buckwheat.  Think Eliot Coleman's farm 
and layout - that's what I do.  To control CPB I have to either not grow 
potatoes and eggplant or use pesticides responsibly.  When there are more 
larva than the chickens and ducks can control I lock the birds up and use an 
organic pesticide.

Robin
Seasons Eatings Farm
Talmadge, Maine

"Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances 
Moore Lappe

Kurt Forman
Clearview Farm
Palmyra, NY 14522

--- list at seasonseatingsfarm.com wrote:

From: "Robin Follette" <list at seasonseatingsfarm.com>
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Organic Remedies for Pest Control
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:30:43 -0400


Spinosad.  There's info here: 
http://www.planetnatural.com/site/monterey-garden-insect.html

Robin, in rainy Maine where temps are below average this year.

Robin Follette
Seasons Eatings Farm
Talmadge, Maine

"Without power over our food, any notion of democracy is empty." - Frances 
Moore Lappe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: michelle rome
To: Market Farming
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:20 AM
Subject: [Market-farming] Organic Remedies for Pest Control



Still have potatoes growing in SC middle of June. The beetles have finally 
made it to my potatoes. I am looking for organic remedies. I have gone more 
to compost fertilizing my limited crops this year. (The corn I have put some 
nitrogen to it). So I am organic like. I am looking for cheap & simple pest 
remedies.

Michelle Hromyak
Romy Farms E&W SC
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