[Market-farming] bugs that look like armadillos

Fulford Valley Organics fv-organics at ssisland.com
Tue Nov 13 20:03:31 EST 2007


I am in SW (coastal) British Columbia, and do get damage from sow bugs.
They seem to love lettuce seedlings in flats, and really do serious damage
to our ripe strawberries.

We lift the lettuce flats in the morning, and clear the bugs out from
underneath and between the packs.  Strawberries were in wooden raised beds,
and the sow bugs would hide between the soil and the boards.  Removing the
boards helped a lot, as did thinning strawberry plants.

Janis.

___________________________________________
Fulford Valley Organics
Certified Organic IOPA #1311
2161 Fulford-Ganges Road
Salt Spring Island, BC
V8K 1Z7




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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: bugs that look like armadillos (Glen Eco Farm)
   2. Re: bugs that look like armadillos (tonitime at juno.com)
   3. Re: bugs that look like armadillos (Linda A)
   4. FW: Produce Equipment for Sale (Liz Maynard)
   5. Ron Paul's Raw Milk Bill (lucy Owsley)
   6. pressure treated organic? (E C GRANATA)
   7. Re: pressure treated organic? (road's end farm)
   8. Re: pressure treated organic? (E C GRANATA)
   9. Re: pressure treated organic? (Maurice Smith)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:20:25 -0400
From: "Glen Eco Farm" <glenecofarm at planetcomm.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] bugs that look like armadillos
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
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  The dictionary calls "sow bugs" "various terrestrial 
crustaceans...commonly found under logs or stones...Also called. 'wood 
louse'".  I think these bugs help to compost materials and do no harm to 
plants.
Christine Burkholder

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From: "Pat Meadows" <pat at meadows.pair.com>
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] bugs that look like armadillos


> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:28:38 -0400, you wrote:
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:39:52 -0400
From: tonitime at juno.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] bugs that look like armadillos
To: market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org
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  I agree, as we have them by the thousands, with no damage.
Toni in KY


I think these bugs help to compost materials and do no 
> harm to 
> plants.
> Christine Burkholder


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:39:14 -0400
From: "Linda A" <L_Amico at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] bugs that look like armadillos
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
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I find them under all my pots.  They must like the damp darkness.
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>  I agree, as we have them by the thousands, with no damage.
> Toni in KY
> 
> 
> I think these bugs help to compost materials and do no 
>> harm to 
>> plants.
>> Christine Burkholder
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:57:50 -0500
From: Liz Maynard <emaynard at exchange.purdue.edu>
Subject: [Market-farming] FW: Produce Equipment for Sale
To: <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Sending at the request of Larry Baker. -- Liz Maynard, Purdue University

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From: Larry Baker <larry.baker at frontlinelogic.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:11:29 -0400
To: <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Produce Equipment for Sale

We have been raising produce in South West Ohio for the past four years.
Unfortunately we are forced to liquidate all of our assets.  We are going to
have an auction of all of our equipment on November 14.  Would you be able
to pass along the auction list to anyone else who may be in need of some of
this equipment?  We would greatly appreciate your support.
 
The link to the auction listing is:
http://www.hessauctionco.com/Upcoming%20Auctions/Upcoming%20Auctions%203.htm
 
Please give me a call if you have any questions.
 
Thank you,
 
Larry L. Baker
765.860.1983
larry.baker at frontlinelogic.com <mailto:larry.baker at frontlinelogic.com>



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 04:57:36 -0500
From: lucy Owsley <goodows at infinet.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] Ron Paul's Raw Milk Bill
To: Cinci Locavores <CinciLocavore at yahoogroups.com>,	Farming Market
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I am not a big Paul supporter but i find him more and more  
interesting daily. I don't care if you are a Paul supporter or not  
this bill is a good reason to contact your reps and senators in DC  
and ask them to support this.

Text of the bill:

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.4077:

His introductory speech

SPEECH OF
HON. RON PAUL
OF TEXAS
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2007

Mr. PAUL. Madam Speaker, I rise to introduce legislation that allows  
the transportation and sale in interstate commerce of unpasteurized  
milk and milk products, as long as the milk both originates from and  
is shipped to States that allow the sale of unpasteurized milk and  
milk products. This legislation removes an unconstitutional restraint  
on farmers who wish to sell unpasteurized milk and milk products, and  
people who wish to consume unpasteurized milk and milk products.

My office has heard from numerous people who would like to purchase  
unpasteurized milk. Many of these people have done their own research  
and come to the conclusion that unpasteurized milk is healthier than  
pasteurized milk. These Americans have the right to consume these  
products without having the Federal Government second-guess their  
judgment about what products best promote health. If there are  
legitimate concerns about the safety of unpasteurized milk, those  
concerns should be addressed at the State and local level.

I urge my colleagues to join me in promoting consumers' rights, the  
original intent of the Constitution, and federalism by cosponsoring  
my legislation to allow the interstate sale of unpasteurized milk and  
milk products.

Lucy Goodman	
Boulder Belt Eco-Farm
Eaton, OH
http://boulderbelt.blogspot.com




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:20:20 -0700
From: "E C GRANATA" <elainegranata at msn.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] pressure treated organic?
To: "Market Farming" <Market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Folks:  Does anyone know if pressure treated wood is acceptable for organic
production?  The label makes it sound lethal-- don't cut it without a mask,
don't burn it, dispose of it according to EPA  protocols!  I picked some up
from Craig's list and didn't realize till I got it home and found a label
that it was treated.

Thanks for any information.

Elaine
Denver
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:50:09 -0500
From: road's end farm <organic101 at linkny.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] pressure treated organic?
To: Market Farming <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Nov 10, 2007, at 7:20 PM, E C GRANATA wrote:

> Folks:? Does anyone know if pressure treated wood is acceptable for 
> organic production?? The label makes it sound lethal-- don't cut it 
> without a mask, don't burn it, dispose of it according to EPA? 
> protocols!? I picked some up from Craig's list and didn't realize till 
> I got it home and found a label that it was treated.
> ?
> Thanks for any information.
> ?
> Elaine
> Denver_______________________________________________
>

This is probably not acceptable, though it might depend on exactly what 
you're proposing to do with it. The standards say (205.206 f):

"The producer must not use lumber treated with arsenate or other 
prohibited materials for new installations or replacement purposes in 
contact with soil or livestock".

If in doubt, check with a local certifier about the specific treatment 
and use. The label should say what it's been treated with. Some uses, 
such as materials for buildings when the treated wood doesn't come in 
direct contact with the crop, or fences not in contact with livestock, 
might be OK; but don't rely on me, I might be misreading the NOFA-NY 
guidance on this.

I think some of the more poisonous treatments are no longer legal for 
sale, even aside from organic production questions; but some of that 
stuff may still be floating around, even if it's supposed to be off the 
market. I don't know how toxic or nontoxic the newer materials are, or 
whether there are any newer materials that have been approved for some 
organic purposes; but the last time (a couple of years ago, I think) I 
asked whether there was any approved treatment for vineyard posts, I 
was told to use either untreated wood or metal for the posts.

Also, you might in any case want to be cautious about using any 
material with a label telling you not to cut it without a mask, if the 
wood will be where any humans, animals, or crops may be exposed; as the 
materials generally leach out of the wood for some time.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:40:03 -0700
From: "E C GRANATA" <elainegranata at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] pressure treated organic?
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Riva:  Thanks.  The label didn't have the treatment products listed but with
that kind of warning label, it sounds pretty bad to me.  I'm getting rid of
it.  Appreciate your reply.

Elaine
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  From: road's end farm<mailto:organic101 at linkny.com> 
  To: Market Farming<mailto:market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org> 
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [Market-farming] pressure treated organic?



  On Nov 10, 2007, at 7:20 PM, E C GRANATA wrote:


    Folks:  Does anyone know if pressure treated wood is acceptable for
organic production?  The label makes it sound lethal-- don't cut it without
a mask, don't burn it, dispose of it according to EPA  protocols!  I picked
some up from Craig's list and didn't realize till I got it home and found a
label that it was treated.
     
    Thanks for any information.
     
    Elaine
    Denver_______________________________________________



  This is probably not acceptable, though it might depend on exactly what
you're proposing to do with it. The standards say (205.206 f):

  "The producer must not use lumber treated with arsenate or other
prohibited materials for new installations or replacement purposes in
contact with soil or livestock".

  If in doubt, check with a local certifier about the specific treatment and
use. The label should say what it's been treated with. Some uses, such as
materials for buildings when the treated wood doesn't come in direct contact
with the crop, or fences not in contact with livestock, might be OK; but
don't rely on me, I might be misreading the NOFA-NY guidance on this.

  I think some of the more poisonous treatments are no longer legal for
sale, even aside from organic production questions; but some of that stuff
may still be floating around, even if it's supposed to be off the market. I
don't know how toxic or nontoxic the newer materials are, or whether there
are any newer materials that have been approved for some organic purposes;
but the last time (a couple of years ago, I think) I asked whether there was
any approved treatment for vineyard posts, I was told to use either
untreated wood or metal for the posts.

  Also, you might in any case want to be cautious about using any material
with a label telling you not to cut it without a mask, if the wood will be
where any humans, animals, or crops may be exposed; as the materials
generally leach out of the wood for some time.

  -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
  Fresh-market organic produce, small
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:17:51 -0600
From: "Maurice Smith" <maurice at chibardun.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] pressure treated organic?
To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
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No it is not acceptable for organic production.

 

Maurice Smith

DragSmith Farms

Barron, WI

 

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farm
Sent: 11/10/2007 6:50 PM
To: Market Farming
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] pressure treated organic?

 


On Nov 10, 2007, at 7:20 PM, E C GRANATA wrote:

Folks:  Does anyone know if pressure treated wood is acceptable for organic
production?  The label makes it sound lethal-- don't cut it without a mask,
don't burn it, dispose of it according to EPA  protocols!  I picked some up
from Craig's list and didn't realize till I got it home and found a label
that it was treated.
 
Thanks for any information.
 
Elaine
Denver_______________________________________________


This is probably not acceptable, though it might depend on exactly what
you're proposing to do with it. The standards say (205.206 f):

"The producer must not use lumber treated with arsenate or other prohibited
materials for new installations or replacement purposes in contact with soil
or livestock".

If in doubt, check with a local certifier about the specific treatment and
use. The label should say what it's been treated with. Some uses, such as
materials for buildings when the treated wood doesn't come in direct contact
with the crop, or fences not in contact with livestock, might be OK; but
don't rely on me, I might be misreading the NOFA-NY guidance on this.

I think some of the more poisonous treatments are no longer legal for sale,
even aside from organic production questions; but some of that stuff may
still be floating around, even if it's supposed to be off the market. I
don't know how toxic or nontoxic the newer materials are, or whether there
are any newer materials that have been approved for some organic purposes;
but the last time (a couple of years ago, I think) I asked whether there was
any approved treatment for vineyard posts, I was told to use either
untreated wood or metal for the posts.

Also, you might in any case want to be cautious about using any material
with a label telling you not to cut it without a mask, if the wood will be
where any humans, animals, or crops may be exposed; as the materials
generally leach out of the wood for some time.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale

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