[Market-farming] "organic": actual USDA regulations

Errol Castens castens at nepower.coop
Wed Jul 25 11:26:49 EDT 2007

I appreciate what I read of Sals' post, but slogging through it made my
eyes bleed. Surely any of us can overlook the occasional misspelled word
or dropped punctuation mark, but let's leave the mile-long paragraphs to
William Faulkner.

Errol Castens
Oxford, Mississippi

On Wed, July 25, 2007 11:08 am, David Tannen said:
> I belong to several groups and this is certainly on of my favorties as it
> deals with my profession.  I do question though why some people write
> posts without punctuation and with no regards to rules of grammar.  When I
> receive posts like this one I end up spending more time trying to
> understand the points the writer is trying to convey than the amount of
> time I want to invest in reading the post; so I just delete it.
> It is a long post and I'm sure Sals put a lot of time and effort into
> composing it, but after reading the first 5 or 6 lines it went right into
> the trash.  I am the only one who feels this way?
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: sals
>   To: Market Farming
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:57 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Market-farming] "organic": actual USDA regulations
>   that's what they always say just charge your customers more money .
> same old same old.  I love my customers . if you don't like it just quit
> being organic no one is forcing you to be organic.  I tried to raise my
> prices this year for the first time in 20  years and it worked out ok.
> but I did not like it and the customer does not like it .   It is too
> bad that the customer has to suffer because he buys organic food in the
> pocket book but you are right not only does the farmer have to pay but
> also the customer has to be charged more.  so you are helping take tons
> of pesticides off the land and are clean natural farming but every one
> that handles you crop even the processor has to be certified and pay for
> the same crop I pay to have certified what a game  they double tax
> organic food and then some.   they really like to sock it to the organic
> folks for not wanting to buy their poison stuff.  they let tons of
> poison food come in no one checks and there are lots of people on the
> kidney machines there are super bugs from to much antibiotics being feed
> to the food people eat yet they can check me every year for the same old
> trees and I use nothing. It take the state and the certifier and he
> inspector just to check little old me out and I use nothing and I have
> trees in same place the only thing that changes is the calendar year
> what is with that. they get to all line up and get my money because we
> went from 06 to 07.  they took a grass roots dream and turned it into a
> bureaucratic nightmare.  the  charge my processor just for packing it
> overcharge the customer just to buy organic still we grow 20 percent
> every year.  not because of the USDA but in spite of the USDA because as
> USDA are taking our money they are releasing GMO that are destroying
> organic food.  you know you can plant organic corn and end up with GMO
> corn thanks to the USDA they release gene dna altered life forms and
> they can not control that life.   Organic growers have taken tons of
> poison off the land out of our streams and  out of our ground water we
> are cleaning the air yet what do we get a organic tax.  how can they
> charge us so much money for what we are not doing.  if you don't use
> poison and tell someone your crop is organic they make you pay every
> year till u either get big or get out.  they have it backward they
> should be rewarding organic grower and making it easy for folks to buy
> organic food but noooo they make it easy for you to buy poison food from
> who know where with who know what is in it.  I heard antifreeze every
> band antibiotic yet no one is checking them.  why should I pay for using
> nothing and still have to compete with folks that don't pay anyone they
> are bring cheep food in from all over and they say just raise my price.
> If I do raise my price I need that money are u nuts.?  I have been
> against the USDA program supporting corn and bean farmers that dump tons
> of stuff on the earth release tons of living GMOs and fight and regulate
> the farmers that help the earth.  give me some of that money but no they
> take my money because I am a organic farmer.  where is the level playing
> field.  we  pay they don't they use poison I don't that is why I pay.
> what is with that.  you think food is safe forgetabout it.  read the
> news.  check out insecticide in baby food , u go to the doc with a small
> sore and they end up cutting off your leg because of supper bugs that
> have gotten use to antibiotics fed to your food .  I can go on and on
> but the just charge your customers more money is what they always say or
> just don't say your organic and get out the business that is always
> their ans. while the bleed the turnips. it is worse than the mafia. I
> think the mafia won and they are the government and this is just
> extortion.they handle the gambling ,numbers running lottery loan
> sharking  and extortion. . the mafia won they are the government. .
> its bullshit.  they can steal my money or force me to pay or get out and
> I can just quit being a organic farmer that is the choice.  the USDA
> are forcing a lot of small organic growers out of organic and safe food
> and forcing customer away because of price   what is with that .how is
> that fair .  the USDA should be supporting organic growers that are
> taking tons of poison off the earth instead of taking our money for
> doing what is right. the whole USDA is wrong supporting the wrong stuff
> and taxing the wrong folks and paying the wrong folks say did you hear
> the USDA are paying dead folks for farming yet charging me.  their whole
> set up is wrong from school to farm payouts .  they have to change if
> they want a safe earth and safe food like they say they want.  they
> should be paying me for the way I farm not taking my hard earned money
> because it is helping the whole earth.  our taxes should be going to
> things that help the earth not corn syrup that kills people and GMO that
> are changing life on earth as we know it.  what the Usda is doing now is
> not supporting the good stuff and supporting the bad stuff. and I feel
> that charging the customers more money and just not saying I am organic
> is not the ans.  it is part of the problem.  why should I have to give
> up my right of free speech and right to unwarranted searches and my
> right to farm because I grow organic and want to tell the whole world.
> so don't give me that just charge more money or just don't say your
> organic .  if you want to clean a stream up you start at the top of the
> stream . if the top of the stream is dirty the whole stream is dirty and
> in this case the top of the food stream is the USDA you have to clean
> that up if you want a clean food stream.   the USDA is a revolving door
> for the big money chemical and dna folks clean that up if you want clean
> food don't tax the folks trying to clean it up on our own and make our
> life harder.   just charge your customers more money thats your idea.
> don't get me started. \!!!!
>   From: dirt.4arm
>     To: Market Farming
>     Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:00 AM
>     Subject: Re: [Market-farming] "organic": actual USDA regulations
>     Sals:
>     say it an't so joe
>     It is true if you want to use the word organic you have to be
> certified and
>     inspected and pay every year to prove you are telling the truth.  I
> have
>     been organic for over 25 years and have paid to be inspected every
> year and
>     have paid the state and have paid the certifier every year .
>     Do you make it back from your customers? If you don't, can you charge
> more and still
>     keep your client base?
>     dirt4arm
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