[Market-farming] Tillage is tillage

Tradingpost tradingpost at lobo.net
Thu Feb 8 17:21:50 EST 2007


If you'll try to specify what it is you're disputing, maybe I can respond.
It  helps to take a definite position and support it. I'm not inclined to
guess what you're driving at. Try it.

paul tradingpost at lobo.net

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On 2/7/2007 at 5:31 PM Sharon and Steve wrote:

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>> I've relocated and have to start over at the age of 63, but what I'm
>doing
>> or not doing shouldn't convince anyone to risk time and capital with my
>> exact methods.
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>Well, I have a couple of years on you and find what you have here very 
>interesting.
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> Starting over with
>> back trouble doesn't sound promising. And if and when I ever quit 
>> learning,
>> the only thing I'll be good for is pushing up daisies. Even if I could
>> claim to be an expert it wouldn't make any difference since experts are
>> notorious for disagreeing.
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>With aching back and bad front, my close work in the garden is on hands
>and 
>knees, stuff in the greenhouse on the cement floor is done on a milk crate

>with wheels added. Lots of my lettuce and greens last year were done in
>16" 
>x 24" styrofoam grape boxes which I can plant or transplant and harvest 
>while standing or sitting at brnches both inside and outside the
>greenhouse.
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>
>> I mentioned Eliot Coleman because he's got 30 years of growing behind
him
>> and succeeded financially, growing sustainably without power equipment
or
>> chemicals, on a miniscule area of land in a harsh climate. That ought to

>> be
>> an example worth investigating.
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>I have been to Colemans several time doing some work on greenhouses 
>there...........about 5 years ago. He and Barbara are master crafts
>persons 
>in everyting that I have seen them do, just look at their web site and
>keep 
>reminding yourself that everything they do is as neat, clean, consice, and

>efficient as what you see there.
>With a dozen years on the road working most of the U.S. doing greenhouse 
>stuff I have found that financial success is seldom visable. I would
>suggest 
>that before I point to anyone,  I should consider the things in evidence 
>like book sales, writing, consulting, personal appearences, and then I
>would 
>be left guessing what they had in their pockets before they started.
>Frankly 
>I prefer not to go there, taint none of my business.
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>I thought it very odd that no one here
>> asked how does he do it, how can he succeed on such small acreage, how
>can
>> he make any money without tractors and other equipment.
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>There are tractors and equipment ar Colemans, and his latest soil prep
>tool 
>is battery electric powered.
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>
>Those would seem to
>> be the obvious questions, esp when a large percent of produce growers
>need
>> an outside job just to pay bills and support their growing operation.
And
>> the common wisdom for decades has been "get big or get out" (as Earl
Butz
>> declared).
>> I've come to the opinion that "Fresh-market organic produce, small
scale"
>> is the ticket to sustainable and financially viable growing, and that
>> building healthy soil in permanent beds with intensive, optimum close
>> planting and interplanting can suppress weeds without herbicides or
>> excessive weeding (with mulch as needed), and get by far the best
>> production from available space while cutting costs per unit of 
>> production.
>> And proven season extension techniques without machinery expense
improves
>> the bottom line even further.
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>I would be surprised ( perhaps ever pleasantly surprised) if you could
>show 
>me the numbers where labor is cheaper than machinery in crop production. 
>Further, I see nothing in your above production system that cant be done
>on 
>100 hp scale. Though I now spend time crawling  about weeding, when I had
>a 
>bride and 3 little ones to feed I much preferred pushing 4 row cultivators

>over 30 acres a day.
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> It appears these principles are widely
>> demonstrated as workable, but putting them into practice means a lot of
>> variations for different climates, soils, and markets.
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>Workable, at what scale? Whats the pay scale for a guy with a hand hoe and
>a 
>pitch fork?
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>>
>MAsteveINE 
>
>
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