[Market-farming] RE: Market-farming Digest, Vol 13, Issue 16

maureen bostock maureenbostock at hotmail.com
Sun Feb 15 12:36:18 EST 2004


Hi everyone,
Gai Lan is available from West Coast Seeds out of British Columbia, Canada.
Regarding GMO contamination:  contamination of field peas would be unlikely 
as there are no gmo varieties of field peas out there to my knowledge.  
However if the field peas were harvested in an unclean combine and the 
previous crop contained gmo canola you might have a contamination problem.  
The best way to assure yourself that you are not importing gmo contamination 
is to buy organic seed, and if not buy certified seed which has been cleaned 
of other seeds.  Common seed might be the place where you would find gmo 
seed mixed in with your field peas.  Even then however field peas are a 
large seed and easy to clean, so common field peas might not be as much of a 
problem as common seed where the seed size is small.  I think gmo 
contamination is going to be a big problem over the next few years, but 
mostly from pollen drift when you are growing a crop which is in a field 
downwind from a gmo variety.  It makes a lot of sense to ask what your 
neighbour is growing. The number of acres to gmo corn, gmo canola and gmo 
soybeans is staggering.  Monsanto is wanting to release gmo wheat into the 
marketplace.  If they do that farmers who currently produce organic wheat on 
the prairies may lose their livelihoods. Maureen


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>    1. Re: Re: Excel greenhouse? (Joan Vibert)
>    2. Can you recommend an economical source for bulk	cover crop
>       seed? (Allan Balliett)
>    3. Re: Can you recommend an economical source for bulk	cover
>       crop seed? (jjvaughn at juno.com)
>    4. Broccollini (Joan Vibert)
>    5. RE: Can you recommend an economical source for	bulkcover crop
>       seed? (Marie Kamphefner)
>    6. Re: Can you recommend an economical source for	bulk 	cover
>       crop seed? (Allan Balliett)
>    7. Re: Can you recommend an economical source for bulk	cover
>       c... (HMSTDFRMS at aol.com)
>    8. Re: Broccollini (Pat Meadows)
>    9. Re: Broccollini (Dcimmarr at aol.com)
>   10. Length of light (Joan Vibert)
>   11. Re: Broccollini (Joan Vibert)
>   12. Re: Broccollini (Dcimmarr at aol.com)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:33:38 -0600
>From: Joan Vibert <joan at windwalker-farm.com>
>Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Excel greenhouse?
>To: Market Farming <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <BC53B812.DD89%joan at windwalker-farm.com>
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>Jackie - I just spent the morning trying to find that - its
>www.exccelgreenhouses.com
>
>It was the two c's that was throwing me.  No prices on their website though
>- I just email them.  I also didn't see a 28' - just 20' and 24'.
>
>Joan
>Windwalker Farm
>Ottawa, Kansas
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:08:56 -0500
>From: Allan Balliett <igg at igg.com>
>Subject: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source for
>	bulk	cover crop seed?
>To: Market Farming <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <a06010201bc542245425e@[192.168.123.143]>
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>I'm primarily looking for field peas in 50lb lots, but will be
>looking for other cover crop seeds as well. Not looking for organic
>this season, but will buy if affordable. Untreated and non-GMO, a
>priority, of course. Best, I guess, would be an east of the
>mississippi source.
>
>Thanks _Allan Balliett
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:21:25 -0600
>From: jjvaughn at juno.com
>Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source
>	for bulk	cover crop seed?
>To: market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <20040214.152126.188.0.jjvaughn at juno.com>
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>Have you tried Welter Seeds in Iowa?  1-800-728-8450.  Haven't done
>business with them- their catalog recently came with SGF or SFT.    Looks
>like a good mix of forage and cover crop seed.  Field peas are 18.00 per
>50 lb and they pay 1/2 of the shipping.
>
>
>Jim
>
>Jim and Julie Vaughn
>Rocky Glade Farm
>Eagleville, Tn 37060-4102
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:52:59 -0600
>From: Joan Vibert <joan at windwalker-farm.com>
>Subject: [Market-farming] Broccollini
>To: Market Farming <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <BC53BC9B.DD8B%joan at windwalker-farm.com>
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>Does anyone know if broccolini and rapini are the same? similar? And there
>is sprouting broccoli.  Have any of you grown these, where did you find
>seeds, how did they grow and sell for you.  I've ordered the rapini and
>sprouting broccoli from Baxter Creek but haven't found the broccolini - not
>even In Bill McKay's catalog - so I'm wondering if there isn't another name
>for it.
>
>Thanks -
>
>Joan
>Windwalker Farm
>Ottawa, Kansas
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:03:31 -0600
>From: "Marie Kamphefner" <kampy at grm.net>
>Subject: RE: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source
>	for	bulkcover crop seed?
>To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <000001c3f34e$c79c8c30$7a688bd8 at your7x1ttcs5lk>
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>We get ours from Albert Lea Seed Company, in Albert Lea Minnesota.
>
>Marie in Missouri
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:50:27 -0500
>From: Allan Balliett <igg at igg.com>
>Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source
>	for	bulk 	cover crop seed?
>To: Market Farming <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <a06010202bc54722a1a48@[192.168.123.143]>
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> >  Field peas are 18.00 per 50 lb and they pay 1/2 of the shipping.
>
>Man, now you are talking! Although I love them dearly, I'd hate to
>tell you what i paid SEEDS of CHANGE for 50lb of Austrian peas a
>while back!!
>
>This reminds me of another question: aside from contamination, can we
>pretty safely rely on GMO products being MAREKETED to us and not
>simply sold as generic crops? Or is there some sort of 'registry',
>so, that even though it illogical that an $18 bag of field peas would
>be genetically engineered, I'd have some way to really feel like I'd
>done all I could to make sure that they weren't? (I'm aware of the
>contamination issues, unfortunately.) Thanks -Allan
>
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:35:20 EST
>From: HMSTDFRMS at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Can you recommend an economical source
>	for bulk	cover c...
>To: market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org
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>Sorry for not paying attention....but I missed where we can order field 
>peas
>for $18/50#.  Could you repost the information?  Thanks.
>Linda
>Homestead Farms
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>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:09:58 -0500
>From: Pat Meadows <pat at meadows.pair.com>
>Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Broccollini
>To: Market Farming <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
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>On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:52:59 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know if broccolini and rapini are the same? similar? And 
>there
> >is sprouting broccoli.  Have any of you grown these, where did you find
> >seeds, how did they grow and sell for you.  I've ordered the rapini and
> >sprouting broccoli from Baxter Creek but haven't found the broccolini - 
>not
> >even In Bill McKay's catalog - so I'm wondering if there isn't another 
>name
> >for it.
> >
>
>Maybe 'broccoli raab'?
>
>I'm not sure of the relationships involved but I *think*
>that broccoli raab, rapini, and sprouting broccoli are the
>same thing.
>
>I've no idea what 'broccolini' is.
>
>Pat
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:34:39 EST
>From: Dcimmarr at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Broccollini
>To: market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <d3.28253414.2d60cf6f at aol.com>
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>Broccolini is one of those relatively new hybrid vegetables, a cross 
>between
>broccoli and Chinese kale or gai lan. It was developed by a Japanese seed
>company, the Sakata Seed Co. of America in Morgan Hill, Calif., and took 
>about
>eight years to perfect. Broccolini is also known as asparation - probably
>intended to hint at an association with asparagus because the vegetable has 
>a small
>floret at the end of an asparagus-like stalk. This is in a way related to
>rapini but it is not the same thing. Rapini does not produce the nice slim 
>stalks
>but rather produces a very, very slim stalk with bunches of leafy material.
>With rapini, leafy material is cooked with flower stalks whereas brocolini 
>only
>the stalks are cooked.
>I do not know if the seed is available yet as seed was only being 
>distributed
>to a few select growers in CA.
>Denise
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>Message: 10
>Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:52:47 -0600
>From: Joan Vibert <joan at windwalker-farm.com>
>Subject: [Market-farming] Length of light
>To: Market Farming <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <BC54D5CF.DDA5%joan at windwalker-farm.com>
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>We have 14 flats of onions in the basement growing area right now that I'd
>like to move to the hoophouse in another week, assuming the weather
>moderates a little, since I'll critically need the basement space.  These
>are all under lights that I keep on for about 15 hours a day.  I'd always
>heard that seedlings need around that amount of light daily.  Now I'm
>wondering what happens when the onions get moved into the hoophouse with
>about 11 hours of light daily.  Will this cause problems.  I'm growing the
>red Italian bottle onion and the little purplettes and I didn't see 
>anything
>in Johnny's about day-length on either of them.
>
>Of course, having written this, I really have no choice since I need the
>room - I guess I just need to know if I should worry or not about them!!!
>
>Joan
>Windwalker Farm
>Ottawa, Kansas
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>Message: 11
>Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:25:08 -0600
>From: Joan Vibert <joan at windwalker-farm.com>
>Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Broccollini
>To: Market Farming <market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <BC54DD64.DE03%joan at windwalker-farm.com>
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>Thanks, Denise, that was a wealth of information and at least I have more
>information to keep on searching -
>
>Joan
>Windwalker Farm
>Ottawa, Kansas
>
>
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>Message: 12
>Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:38:02 EST
>From: Dcimmarr at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Broccollini
>To: market-farming at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <1c4.150f39f7.2d60ec5a at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>I am not toatally sure but I think the way the seed deal works is: The
>person(company, etc) that comes up with a new seed (plant, etc. ) patents 
>it and
>then has the rights to that seed for a specified number of years. During 
>that
>time, seed is not readily available except to selected growers...in order 
>to make
>a profit return on the expense it took to get the final seed. I believe 
>that
>time frame is ten years, but dont quote me on that. Before that time, I 
>doubt
>you would find seed commercially available.
>Denise
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