[Market-farming] child labor

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Wed Jan 29 15:35:04 EST 2003

The concept of family freedom does not mean putting the government, any
kind of government, in charge of telling parents how to raise children.
Existing abuses will not be helped by putting people in charge who crave
political power enough to be running government agencies. The best abuse
preventive historically has been close-knit local communities where people
know one another. Nothing is perfect. Especially government.

--paul, webmaster http://globalcircle.net
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Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes. 
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On 1/29/2003 at 12:14 PM marc wrote:

>> Yup, I've seen some of the press on dangers to children who assist in
>> farming.  There are dangers and don't we all know it?  Operating heavy
>> equipment.. that can flip over, catch on fire, etc.  Working around
>> chemicals.  Grain bins.  Working around large livestock.  Etc.
>> Even adults who are experienced at farming have accidents and are
>> While I hate to see this sort of thing sensationalized, it isn't an
>> unreasonable concern.  Child labor issues do come up in 'home based'
>> businesses such as farming.  Why should farmers be exempt from child
>> guidelines?
>> Del Williams
>I agree. Just because a person can conceive does not make them a parent. I
>think the notion of ever increasing the protections available to children
>and people is a thing who's time has come. The folks who subscribe it to
>nurturing gone wild are coming from a primitive perspective. We have a
>responsibility as enlightened modern people to leave the disproven old
>things of the past behind. They were great in their day but we know better
>now. Let the old ways go and move on to better ways.
>We now know all accidents are preventable as trial lawyers in liability
>cases have so readily proven time and time again. Over 80% of cases tried
>are for the plaintiff. It's not trial lawyers but it's greedy careless
>businessmen and other so-called professionals playing careless with
>Many of the so-called "protections" conceived under the constitution are
>nonsense today as they were really covers or shields to protect the
>landowners and businessmen from supervisory oversight. We know how these
>people are so it's natural they would participate in codifying protection
>into our founding laws. They considered "accidents" and "acts of god" as
>excuses for their negligent or risk-taking behaviors abusive to the
>But where does this phenomena come from??  How do we end it??
>Simply put, these bogus heroes of society did not have any idea of the
>advances physical, agricultural and social science would take. They did
>have a clue about how much knowledge the scientists would generate and the
>incredible gap that would appear from the average citizen on the street
>these unusual and special folks who dedicated their lives to their
>Here's the simple secret!! That gap between us and the social, political
>agricultural scientists would close the abusers' ability to hurt us if we
>just give them a chance to implement the scientifically-proven studies and
>recommendations. Unfortunately, folks have a hard time letting go of the
>ways even when they are harmful.
>It's simple. Childhood slavery should be abolished as we now know enough
>realize that is the root of the ancient "family values" thing when the
>family unit was the basic government unit of a society. Children should
>be allowed to have some untrained person with primitive social mentality
>pollute them with various social ideas based on some nonexistent god or
>old primitive constitution or some blindly-held unproven beliefs. They
>fine in their days when we were too cheap to invest in the best so we put
>with the cheapo economic advantages of a pseudo-government "family unit"
>since we have learned so much let's free these children to be what they
>SHOULD be. We have enough knowledge and money to do this nowadays. Of
>some of these will be hidden around in the more remote regions but we can
>find them and free the children.
>We have millions of highly trained teachers and social scientists that
>visit homes, tutor parents in the scientifically-proven correct ways of
>modern discoveries and theories and test and evaluate the adults and
>children living in a interdepenent mixed age unit. That's right - let's
>rid of the old ancient government unit of parents and children and let all
>be coequal citizens. Reasonable adults naturally are  willing to teach the
>correct things to their younger citizens and they in turn are eager to
>the correct ways.
>Here in Colorado the fascists had to have special legislation passed to
>protect farmers, farming families and the children from the Child
>heroes in Social Service. The SS were having to perform the unpleasant but
>necessary tasks of filing neglect and endangerment charges, jailing the
>abusive parents and breaking up dangerous antiquated "family units" here
>Colorado when a child was abused on a farm. Significant reprogramming is
>necessary for these unfortunate children so they may realize what neglect
>and abuse has been theirs to bear by their trusted parents allowing them
>participate in such unconscionable environments and activities.
>In fact their parents would allow them to mount horses and bulls that were
>uncertified for child riding by qualified or licensed personnel in
>activities such as "Bronco and Bull" riding. This also was animal abusive
>this was a severe violation of the animals' rights to only be used in a
>manner the animal approved of. Those abusers even perverted their children
>into killing sentient feeling animals and eating their  meat!
>I think it's high time we fully embrace the tremendous amount of consumer,
>child, labor and animal protection knowledge available and implement it
>classes, tutoring and enforcement inspections and evaluations.
>If it saves just ONE life.....
>Marc Nameth
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