market-farming digest: November 10, 2000

Betsy ilima at
Sat Nov 11 11:42:35 EST 2000

Marc - I'm baffled by your charge that I'm "trampling" over anyone by apologizing twice. 

Spam has to do with advertising. No-one can be fined for accidentally sending a private, non-commercial e-mail. I understand there are people out there who cannot tolerate views different than their own, and to those people it somehow makes sense to punish differences of opinion, as well as blast others with personal abuse rather than talk about the issues calmly. But thankfully the legal system doesn't work that way.

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: marc at 
  To: market farming 
  Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:14 AM
  Subject: Re: market-farming digest: November 10, 2000


  There's an old saying about "it's easier to get
  forgiveness than permission" and it seemed that's
  exactly what you tried to do..

  An apology is not acceptable while you continue to trample
  over others after the apology. Like that makes everything
  OK and no one should hold you accountable or protest?

  Your message indicated you KNEW you were SPAMMING
  before you hit the send button!

  There can be consequences for SPAMMING. If a lot of people
  fowarded your post and a SPAM complaint to your ISP at:

  you could find yourself the receipient of a hefty bill as many
  service providers have a no spam policy and charge upwards of
  $500 per violation and disconnect of your service as you did agree

  to their service policy prior to getting connected with them.

  Additionally clogging up the internet with lines to the Florida
  government offices would only serve to get the posts sent
  there ignored and further lower internet email credibility to
  the level of trash.

  I do a lot of communications with my State of Colorado Ag
  Department and have had to work quite hard to buuild a
  relationship with them so they will respect my emails regarding
  agriculture as they get so many immediate gratification emails
  like what you are pushing for.

  I think you could consider the officials of Florida ARE GOVERNED
  BY FLORIDA LAW - not mindless emails from a faceless mob from
  out of their state they have NO legal or moral obligation to.

  They are doing their job as dictated by the Florida Law and the

  They ARE recounting  and don't need millions of emails from
  OUT OF STATE PEOPLE to tell them to do what THEY
  ARE ALREADY DOING!!!  Don't you watch the news?

  Why would you tell the dog to sit when it already is? It's
  not even your dog.

  They are the focus of the most intense scrutiny since Watergate
  and Nixon. Not even during the impeachment investigation and
  pursuit  of Clinton has this much firepower been aimed at an
  internal USA situation.

  (If anything I think we should have a nationwide recount.)


  Marc Nameth

  > Subject: sorry again
  > From: "Betsy" <ilima at>
  > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:43:49 -0600
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  > My apologies once again, although sounds like some of you won't be =
  > accepting them. I edited my e-mail list to try to remove all list-servs =
  > and other inappropriate recipients for the re-vote call. I guess I =
  > missed some. Please note, I don't assume that you would all agree with =
  > me - don't feel you need to tell me you don't. Consider it a wayward =
  > e-mail, mistakes do happen.

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