[Cc-uk] FS vs CC?

Neil Leyton nleyton at gmail.com
Thu Jun 23 18:57:39 EDT 2005

Excellent. Thank you. Yes.


On 6/22/05, Andres Guadamuz <a.guadamuz at ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> Dear all,
> I was hoping to keep some of these comments to my blog where they would go
> unnoticed :), but I guess that this discussion is really unearthing some
> deeper problems that I wanted to comment on.
> I am afraid that the arguments that we have been seeing here in the last few
> days are a continuation of the Free vs. Open debate in software. It seems
> clear to me that there is a growing number of criticisms coming from the FS
> camp against the direction of CC, and these remind me of some of the heated
> debates between FS and OSS proponents. I must admit that I find this
> development disturbing because I strongly believe that we must present a
> united front. I think that the next year is going to see an increase in
> organised attacks against CC from the creative industries, and internal
> bickering will get us nowhere. This is not to imply that there should not be
> criticism against CC! By all means, there should be. My problem is that I
> have been noticing a tendency to imply that CC is not kosher from the FS
> perspective, that FS is better, that FS has a more centred philosophy, that
> FS has clearer goals, etc.
> These criticisms may respond to the possibility that FS proponents are
> finally realising that CC is more akin to OSS than to FS. In my view, it
> should be clear that Creative Commons is not Free Software. Both movements
> have different stated goals and have different target audiences. CC is
> attempting to reach and educate the mainstream, and when you do that you
> must be prepared to compromise. There is no reason why CC staff should not
> use proprietary software, and there is no reason why CC should not use
> proprietary standards from time to time if it can be used to reach the
> target audience.
> The mainstream uses proprietary software, this is a fact. We cannot force
> people to use non-proprietary software, even if we think that they should.
> The battle must be won with quality and usability, and we all have to be
> honest that large quantities of FLOSS are not particularly user friendly.
> CC is one of the good guys, it is a step in the right direction (I'm running
> out of clichés). Let's keep that in mind.
> Regards,
> Andres
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