[Cc-uk] CC going mad?

Cory Doctorow doctorow at craphound.com
Wed Jun 22 09:12:17 EDT 2005

No, I'm saying that getting into the silly business of "How dare  
those people" (who are our allies, who work with us, whose goals we  
support 100 percent and vice-versa) "call themselves 'Free Culture  
Movement'" is sniping. There is zero substance to such a complaint.  
There's nothing wrong with the name "Free Culture Movement" for an org.

Wrt to CC: I'm saying that not enjoying someone else's gag isn't the  
same thing as having a substantive disagreement.

Wrt "over there." My postcode is in NW5. Where "over there" do you  
think I am?


On Jun 22, 2005, at 2:09 PM, David M. Berry wrote:

> Cory
> You seem to be saying 'let's have no dissent'. I would argue that  
> we need a rich and critical discussion of all activities that  
> Creative Commons gets itself into otherwise grave mistakes (like  
> the Bzzz public relations fiasco) will be made. A lot of people  
> invest a lot of time and personal work into supporting the Creative  
> Commons, and when it starts to act completely authoritarian (like  
> the Sampler License rename http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc- 
> sampling/2004-August/thread.html ) or even plain dumb (like this),  
> then it is important that it gets critical feedback from its  
> supporters as well as its foes.
> Maybe this 'joke' works better over there than over here. I don't  
> know. But Creative Commons' actions I sometimes find plain  
> conservative and reactionary rather than progressive. The dangers  
> with Creative Commons, are their tacit acceptance of copyright  
> (indeed their *need* for it) means that it can be used as an  
> argument to support copyright extension rather than reject it. In  
> other words 'copyright works, just look how CC makes the whole  
> thing run smoother, who needs term limitations when stuff can be  
> licensed anyway'. To read more of our critique see Free Software  
> Magazine: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/current_issues/#issue_05
> Anyway, it's hardly a firing squad, and hardly in a circle, as  
> clearly others agree with you and my remarks have generated lots of  
> contrary debate - always a good thing.
> ;-)
> Cheers
> David
> On 22 Jun 2005, at 10:27, Christian Ahlert wrote:
>>> Is it really
>>> necessary to arrange this firing squad in a circle?
>>> Cory


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