[Cc-uk] Re: Changing your mind and the young Bowie

Neil Leyton nleyton at gmail.com
Tue Apr 26 05:09:57 EDT 2005


I haven't, but I'm sure I will - I'm on a panel with a PPL rep
tomorrow in London (Music Indie's Think Tank).

N.

On 4/25/05, David M. Berry <d.berry at sussex.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but have you hear Fran Nevrlka, the head of the PPL talk about the
> Creative Commons? Anarchists, academics and nihilists?
> 
> 
> On 25 Apr 2005, at 21:01, Neil Leyton wrote:
> 
> > It is important to note, on this PRS topic, that MANY artists and
> > labels of rising influence are becoming aware of the issue and, should
> > PRS not change, it may find itself becoming increasingly irrelevant,
> > as new indie-minded and CC-aware rights societies begin to emerge,
> > first centered around internet licensing, and then moving into the FW
> > radio domain which the existing PRO's have ruled with a mafia-like
> > grip for way too long already.
> >
> > Btw, this issue has NOT been a problem in Canada, as SOCAN rightfully
> > differentiates between commercial vs. non-commercial uses, and no red
> > flags have gone up around CC usage... pointing the way for possible
> > PRS/PPL positive adaptation here...
> >
> > N.
> >
> > On 4/25/05, Dr Tim Brookes <T.Brookes at surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> On 25 Apr 2005, at 17:00, cc-uk-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
> >>> One of the thorny 'yes buts...' I am hearing a lot in regard to CC is
> >>> "what happens if young creators license their early work under CC and
> >>> then rue the day forever more?"
> >>
> >> For musical works, as far as I can see, the major problem here is the
> >> UK collection agencies. If you have ever licensed any of your works
> >> under CC then you can never join PRS, since they require exclusive
> >> rights to all your works - past and future - and you can not grant
> >> exclusive rights on a work you've already CC-licensed.  If you're not
> >> in PRS when you're writing hit after hit, you'll find it almost
> >> impossible to get any performance royalties from your multitudinous
> >> radio broadcasts, TV broadcasts, film showings, public performances,
> >> iTunes downloads, etc...  You can make money from selling CDs, and
> >> from
> >> granting permission for use of your tracks in films, adverts, etc, but
> >> you won't get performance royalties.
> >>
> >> It's PRS that need to change - not CC - but until they do I think
> >> you'd
> >> have to be very sure that you never want any performance royalties
> >> before you CC-license anything.  This is a tremendous shame and I very
> >> much hope PRS (and MCPS and PPL) can be persuaded to grant membership
> >> in exchange for exclusive (or even non-exclusive) rights on commercial
> >> use only. Then a non-com CC licence would not preclude later royalty
> >> income.
> >>
> >> Tim.
> >>
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