[Cc-uk] Re: Changing your mind and the young Bowie

David M.Berry d.berry at sussex.ac.uk
Mon Apr 25 18:29:07 EDT 2005

Yes, but have you hear Fran Nevrlka, the head of the PPL talk about the 
Creative Commons? Anarchists, academics and nihilists?

On 25 Apr 2005, at 21:01, Neil Leyton wrote:

> It is important to note, on this PRS topic, that MANY artists and
> labels of rising influence are becoming aware of the issue and, should
> PRS not change, it may find itself becoming increasingly irrelevant,
> as new indie-minded and CC-aware rights societies begin to emerge,
> first centered around internet licensing, and then moving into the FW
> radio domain which the existing PRO's have ruled with a mafia-like
> grip for way too long already.
> Btw, this issue has NOT been a problem in Canada, as SOCAN rightfully
> differentiates between commercial vs. non-commercial uses, and no red
> flags have gone up around CC usage... pointing the way for possible
> PRS/PPL positive adaptation here...
> N.
> On 4/25/05, Dr Tim Brookes <T.Brookes at surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
>> On 25 Apr 2005, at 17:00, cc-uk-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>>> One of the thorny 'yes buts...' I am hearing a lot in regard to CC is
>>> "what happens if young creators license their early work under CC and
>>> then rue the day forever more?"
>> For musical works, as far as I can see, the major problem here is the
>> UK collection agencies. If you have ever licensed any of your works
>> under CC then you can never join PRS, since they require exclusive
>> rights to all your works - past and future - and you can not grant
>> exclusive rights on a work you've already CC-licensed.  If you're not
>> in PRS when you're writing hit after hit, you'll find it almost
>> impossible to get any performance royalties from your multitudinous
>> radio broadcasts, TV broadcasts, film showings, public performances,
>> iTunes downloads, etc...  You can make money from selling CDs, and 
>> from
>> granting permission for use of your tracks in films, adverts, etc, but
>> you won't get performance royalties.
>> It's PRS that need to change - not CC - but until they do I think 
>> you'd
>> have to be very sure that you never want any performance royalties
>> before you CC-license anything.  This is a tremendous shame and I very
>> much hope PRS (and MCPS and PPL) can be persuaded to grant membership
>> in exchange for exclusive (or even non-exclusive) rights on commercial
>> use only. Then a non-com CC licence would not preclude later royalty
>> income.
>> Tim.
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