[Cc-nz] Time to retire ND and NC

Sutherland, Paul Paul.Sutherland at ccc.govt.nz
Mon Sep 17 16:27:19 EDT 2012

>From the CC-NZ website

Te Papa uses a BY-NC-ND copyright license as the museum charges for
commercial use of its images through the Te Papa Picture Library. 

This is a common practice to cover expenses in supply - and to generate
income to enable more items going online.

Steill looking for answer to 
>> Do we know how many objects from New Zealand exist with any CC 
>> licences


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[mailto:cc-nz-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Matt McGregor
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Subject: Re: [Cc-nz] Time to retire ND and NC

Hi everyone,

>> On Sep 15, 2012 12:33 PM, "Bronwyn Holloway-Smith" wrote:

>>         There is still a lot of work to be done before CC is widely 
>> understood and used by the general public and IMHO retaining NC will 
>> lower the barrier to entry for those who are new to, and wary of the

I tend to agree. It's much easier, rhetorically, to point out that CC
provides 'a range of licence options, ranging from more free to more

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Leigh Blackall
<leighblackall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul, I'm not sure anyone is making out that all rights reserved is 
> evil, though I somewhat detest the moralist language used, like 
> "freedom" and "sharing", that more than suggest one is evil and the
other is not.

Without denying the moralism that sometimes creeps into these
discussions, the case we make to CC neophytes is more often a pragmatic
one. The case against All Rights Reserved is not that it's evil, but
that it simply doesn't suit most fields of cultural practice, (including
education, government, research, most areas of the arts). The case for
CC is not (just) that it's the right thing to do, but that it can make
one's job/life easier. The inflection of 'freedom' is thus more
technical than moral: you can simply do more with CC-BY than CC-BY-NC-ND
or ARR.

And I agree that 'sharing' can sound a little cuddly, but it's also a
pretty good description of quite a lot of online cultural practice.

> I think proponents of CC carry an assumption, that seamless reuse of 
> cultural artifacts, in a digital medium and culture of reuse, is 
> valuable and important to cultural continuation and development. this 
> assumption might need some careful reflection, as you suggest.

Yes, a more nuanced, historically informed theory of culture would be
useful. It would be nice to have a history which showed the links
between Lessig's theory of 'culture' and those going back to the late
18th century, in the style, say, of 'Culture & Society.' Any takers?

> On Sep 16, 2012 7:25 PM, "Sutherland, Paul" 
> <Paul.Sutherland at ccc.govt.nz>
> wrote:

>> I wonder what evidence there is about the usage of CC-NZ and its 
>> various permutations full stop
>> Do we know how many objects from New Zealand exist with any CC 
>> licences
>> Somewhere to look that up?

Jane recently pointed me to this, though it's extremely out of date
(2010), and is taken from search engines:

>> And how much reuse there is actually occuring

Not sure of any research on this from Aotearoa.


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