[cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues

Federico Morando federico.morando at gmail.com
Wed Sep 18 10:17:56 EDT 2013

On 09/17/2013 01:34 AM, Kat Walsh wrote:
> ShareAlike:
> In the ShareAlike licenses, there is now an express permission for 
> downstream users to comply with all obligations to all upstream 
> licensors with reference to the terms and conditions of the Adapter's 
> License. (This is for ShareAlike only; the BY and BY-NC licenses do 
> not include this section.)
I'd like to summarize the main points of a long discussion within the 
working group of CC Italy (apologies to Diane and the other members of 
the legal team if this includes some issues we already discussed):

- we fully share the goal of Section 2(a)(5)(A) as summarized above by Kat;
- however we do not support the wording adopted in the sentence "Every 
recipient of Adapted Material from You automatically receives an offer 
from the Licensor to /exercise the Licensed Rights in the Adapted 
Material/ subject to the terms and conditions of Your Adapter's License.":
-- in fact, we think that there are no Licensor's rights /in/ the 
Adapted Material, apart from rights which are already "mediated" by the 
Adapter's License;
--- (in this sense, we agree with Parker Higgins' message on this list: 
the fact that the only conditions to respect are the ones of the 
Adapter's License should be uncontroversial... but this is the case 
because this already applies under our interpretation of the 3.0 licenses!);
-- therefore and finally, we suggest to use an alternative wording 
(replacing "Every recipient ... License."): "*However, for the avoidance 
of doubt, with respect to the Adapted Material, every recipient of 
Adapted Material from You shall be subject to the terms and conditions 
of the Adapter's License (e.g., recipients shall attribute the Licensor 
in the manner required by the Adapter's License).*"

The "However" is meant to differentiate the situation described in the 
previous sentence (concerning the Licensor's rights in the Licensed 
Material) from the situation described in the following sentence, which 
concerns the Adapted Material alone. Of course, and in any case, as 
Sarah said on this list, if somebody extracts only the original work 
from the adaptation (where that is possible), then the terms of the 
original license apply. And this is indeed clarified by the first 
sentence in Section 2(a)(5)(A).

Our goal, with the previous statement (the one in bold type), is to 
clarify that respecting the latest Adapter's License downstream is a 
sufficient condition to respect the entire chain of licenses, and in 
particular that you just need to look at the latest attribution 
requirements downstream. The specific example is just meant to help 
people (who didn't follow our discussions here) to understand the 
meaning of an otherwise seemingly tautological sentence.

(I'm going to provide other specific pieces of feedback with separate 

Thanks and best regards,



Federico MORANDO
Director of Research and Policy &
Research Fellow

NEXA Center for Internet & Society
Politecnico di Torino - DAUIN
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