[cc-licenses] Aggregation and Stronger SA

drew Roberts zotz at 100jamz.com
Wed Apr 18 12:33:42 EDT 2012

On Wednesday 18 April 2012 06:03:45 David Chart wrote:
> On 2012/04/16, at 23:09, drew Roberts wrote:
> >> In any case, I suggest this as a way to make the 4.0 copyleft a bit
> >> stronger.
> >
> > I say that is not enough stronger and we can make it stronger still
> > without adverse effects for those wanting to operate in the Free World.
> I know that my proposal doesn't meet your requirements, but then I disagree
> with your requirements.
> More objectively, your proposal would replace an implicit permission in
> version 3 with an explicit prohibition in version 4.

Yes but it would start to treat photos and images used in books (for instance) 
more like it currently treats audio used in video or films.

> I really don't think 
> that's a good idea for something this broad. Apart from anything else, I,
> personally, do want to allow aggregation with non-free works, but require
> sharealike for actual adaptations.

You could always allow that for you BY-SA works even if the license did not. 
You can grant extra freedoms, you can't impose extra restrictions. (I think.)

> I do have a question for clarification. I can see how the CD case restricts
> your freedoms in the future. I don't see how the illustrated book goes
> beyond that. If my proposal does what I intend, you can strip the text out
> of the book and distribute your photographs in that layout. This would
> appear to preserve your freedom to use your works, or anyone else's BY-SA
> works.

I think you are missing the Share-Alike idea. I want to share alike. Not have 
you share in my stuff to create and profit from stuff that I am restricted 
from profiting from if I get the inclination.

You want to allow someone to create a copyrighted work that includes your 
copyleft works and you not be able to deal with that work as the person 
making it does. That is not for me. If they are proponents of the permission 
culture, let them ask my permission. If they operate Freely, so do I, 
permission is already given in the license. They presumably already have to 
get someone else's permission to make the copyrighted work in question, how 
much harder is it to get my permission?

Lest you think this is from greed, note that BY-SA will certainly allow them 
to sell copies of my works and keep all the money for themselves. I am 
looking more for the Freedom.

all the best,


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