[cc-licenses] Founders as a module? was Re: Getting to Version 3.0

Rob Myers rob at robmyers.org
Fri May 19 16:03:41 EDT 2006

On 19 May 2006, at 20:21, Greg London wrote:

>> My question, to reiterate, is 'What's the difference between a
>> "NON-copyleft free license" (e.g. MIT, BSD, CC-By) and "Public  
>> Domain"?'
> The only practical difference that I know of occurs for licenses
> that have accumulative requirements.

Yes attribution. That, and a copyright is retained, so the work could  
be relicensed proprietary (but not exclusively).

> The CC-Wiki license fixes the cululative effect of the CC-BY,
> because it allows attribution to be handed over to a single
> website or similar organization.

CC-Wiki became the 2.5 group attribution clause. The Wiki badge just  
redirects to BY-SA 2.5 .

IANAL but this clashes with the moral right of attribution and so IMO  
really should not be used outside the US, or in international  
projects. I personally think the solution is FSF-style assignment,  
not attribution hacks.

> The only other difference I can think of relates to Moral Rights.
> I'm not so familiar with all the details of Moral Rights,
> but my understanding is that they cannot be licensed away.

They can be waived in Canada and the UK but elsewhere they are  
inalienable. The CC-UK licences (for Scotland and for England &  
Wales) explicitly retains the right of integrity, I think the CC-CA  
license leaves the option open for the licensor.

I do not, personally, think that Founders should be a module. It is a  
very elegant solution, but we just need one case of someone deciding  
they don't want their work to become BY after 5 years for this to be  
a PR (and ethical) disaster. Founders has already been used for FUD.

Possibly CC could work with a third party to do a time-release  
scheme, but I don't think CC should do it themselves, and I do not  
think time-release is a good idea. We need less uncertainty and  
conditions in copyright, not more.

- Rob.

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