[cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion

Paul Keller paul at waag.org
Sat Aug 12 06:39:03 EDT 2006

the pace of discussions on this list is almost impossible to keep up,  
so please allow me to react to something that was mentioned a couple  
of posts back (see below)

On Aug 11, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Luis Villa wrote:

> On 8/11/06, Paul Keller <paul at waag.org> wrote:
>> On Aug 11, 2006, at 8:52 PM, Evan Prodromou wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2006-11-08 at 19:28 +0100, Rob Myers wrote:
>>>> And the PSP is not positioned as a media player. Sony's mistake,
>>>> but there you are. The better example is the iPod, which can be
>>>> handled more effectively by not allowing DRM distribution but
>>>> giving a special exception for rendering works inaccessible on
>>>> devices they cannot be removed on (an "iPod exception").
>>> I don't follow that. Can you unpack that a bit?
>>>> That would be more "pragmatic"...
>>> I'm not sure I understand how.
>> i dont get this either.  at least my ipod plays mp3s just fine no
>> need to drm stuff to play on my ipod.... only situation where drm/tpm
>> is required is when i want to sell something through the ITMS. why
>> should i allow others to sell stuff i release under a CC license
>> through the ITMS?
> If you don't want them to sell your content, that's what NC is for,
> and is not the purpose of a DRM clause. Please keep the two issues
> (DRM and NC) separate- this discussion is muddled enough as is.

this was not really the point i was trying to make here. the point is  
why should someone be allowed to put arbitrary restrictions on my  
work when i chose not to do that. the only reason i can see is the  
one brought forward by ewan when you want to distribute on a DRM-only  
platform. i personally would not want my work to end up in some  
vendor controlled DRM system but personal tastes might differ here.  
evan uses the PSP exampe (which i still think in the world of free  
content is marginal at best) to argue for parallel redistribution.  
this would indeed solve the (marginal) PSP problem, but it would also  
allow every other downstream user to apply DRM in all other scenarios  
on all other platforms that do not require DRM. while i might  
consider giving someone permission to use my work in an interesting  
PSP game or whatever els you can put on those things, i definitely do  
not want others to needlessly apply limiting DRM to my works. exactly  
this would also be allowed by the parallel redistribution clause, and  
that is why i think asking for permission it the better approach to  
these exceptional scenarios.

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