NonCommercial and recovering costs

James Grimmelmann james.grimmelmann at
Tue Jun 22 20:24:33 EDT 2004

At 04:32 PM 6/22/2004, Greg London wrote:

>Evan Prodromou said:
> > If I had my own bookbinding machine ...
>You do. It's called
>Actually, its a book binding and order fullfilment machine...
>You need a PDF with fonts embedded, but it can be done.
>My "Impatient Perl" book is available through Lulu
>and it didn't cost me any money up front.
>Course, with a CC-NC license, I'm not sure if it would be cool
>to leave it up on Lulu, even if you charged no royalty, since lulu
>would still be making money on it. You'd probably have to upload,
>order one copy for yourself, and then remove the book so no one
>else purchases it. Not sure about that one.

Yeah.  It's revealing that Lulu is a publication service for authors, not a 
book production service for readers.

>yes. NC is a market economy license. the point is free advertising,
>free samples, to make the original author money. The idea of NC is
>to give up some non-commercial rights in exchange for word of mouth
>and a few actual sales. The idea is to bypass the "machine" that is
>the massive book publishing industry (or music industry, or insert
>industry of choice here) and to allow artists and authors a channel
>to get distribution and advertising with no money up front. But the
>point is for the author/artist to make money.

Right.  I think that's a fair description of one constituency.  Not sure I 
agree with you that NonCommercial isn't a good choice for others, and I'm 
not sure I agree with you that this group wouldn't want the copy shop to 
make copies of it for people.  But this strikes me as a good way of 
describing the motivations of many would-be NC users.


Not a lawyer.  Not speaking for CC.

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