[Cc-it] Re: [Copywhat] Re: [eucd] [NEWS] Nascita del Digital Media Project (DMP)
Niels Vestergaard Jensen
nvj a fys.ku.dk
Sab 13 Dic 2003 11:24:57 EST
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
> >>>>> "nvj" == Niels Vestergaard Jensen <nvj a fys.ku.dk> writes:
First a correction: In my former mail i wrote that "DRM is physically
impossible". I meant "DRM" in the sense of "client-side copy control" and
it could actually be possible - but only with control over all digital
> nvj> Chariglione (IIRC former SDMI - infamous Felten dispute) has
> nvj> already made up his mind, and I think we should rightfully
> nvj> criticize him for that.
> Sure. That's why we should talk to the DMP (which is not Leonardo
> Chiariglione alone, as I already mentioned).
> nvj> The work plan laid out clearly presupposes the conclusion
> nvj> that DRM is the solution, the question is only how it can be
> nvj> "interoperable" and "acceptable to end users". As if.
> Although I don't like DRM as is being proposed by the industry (and,
> to a lesser extent, by the Digital Media Project) I'm fairly convinced
> that DRM proposals will go on, our ideas notwithstanding. I think
> it's important that the industry (and the DMP, which is in a certain
> sense representative of the industry, although a number of its
> positions are much more sensible) knows that the "users" (and the
> citizens) have a fairly broad concept of what constitutes a "fair use"
> or "traditional" right.
> Remaining silent in this occasion has the only effect that the DMP
> (and the industry representatives which are a part of the DMP) will
> have the opportunity to say "ok, nobody told us that this and this and
> this right was important to you, so we implemented that and that and
> that usage restriction".
"Remaining silent" would not be my favourite option either.
> Sure, they can ignore our positions no matter how loud we speak. But
> for me it's important that nobody will be able to say, tomorrow, "we
> offered you to discuss these issues and you didn't".
You're right. My point is that we should talk to them from the outside,
not from the inside. (At least I can't see how we can join as members,
when the conclusion is so clearly written already).
> BTW, this has nothing to do with being the "poster boy" for
> Chiariglione or the DMP (which I'm not a mamber of, although I follow
> its mailing list).
I didn't intend to accuse you of being his poster boy - my apologies if it
was read that way. I meant to point out the general risk that we'd be used
for poster boys - that's in my opinion a very real risk. ("After
consultation with consumer groups, experts and industry representatives
the Digital Media Project today concluded that....")
Anyway, just my personal opinion.
Niels, Digital Consumer Denmark
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