[Cc-ie] Basic question...

adam beecher lists at beecher.net
Tue Jan 20 15:59:41 EST 2004


Thanks Antoin, Darius, most helpful. I'm not sure there's anything I can do
to help the project, but if there is feel free to shout.

adam


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> I agree with Antoin's comments, and would add that as far as we know, once
> the Irish licence has been adopted, there will be various versions
> available, so that you can restrict / open certain rights.
>
> One of the documents we received includes a step (e) in the drafting
> process:
>
> '(e) "Port" the remaining licenses.
> Use the provisions of the Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike license to
> assemble the remaining 10 licenses.  This should be a copy-and-paste
> operation.'
>
> Darius
>
> Dr Darius Whelan,
> Law Department, University College Cork,
> Ireland.
> Tel. +353- 21- 490 3452   Fax +353 -21 -427 0690
> d.whelan at ucc.ie    mailto:d.whelan at ucc.ie
> Irish Law Site at UCC - http://www.irishlaw.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antoin O Lachtnain [mailto:antoin at eire.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:38 PM
> To: cc-ie at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [Cc-ie] Basic question...
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>
> the creative commons people are adopting what would be called in
> computing
> land a 'stack'  or 'layer model' approach to this.
>
> If you look at http://creativecommons.org/projects/international/ it
> explains it somewhat.
>
> There are some fundamental problems at the core of what is being
> done here.
> The licenses are translations into local law, to ensure the CC principles
> or 'deed' are enacted in as similar as possible a way in all
> jurisdictions.
>
> There is a fair degree of second-guessing involved here. It's
> theoretically
> quite tricky. It is obviously impossible to guarantee that the different
> contracts will all be implemented into practice in the same way in all
> countries as a result of the 'translegalisation'.
>
> In practice, though, this is the sort of approach large companies use to
> standardize their contracts for services and software licenses and the
> like. It's worked for the likes of Oracle, ATT and IBM, so it
> will probably
> be fine for this purpose too.
>
> So to answer the questions you actually asked:
>
>
> >a) Are the generic CC licences valid in Ireland?
>
> as valid as any other licence or contract.
>
>
> >b) If I choose the Irish licence what do I do if I want to restrict/open
> >certain rights, as I can with the generator?
>
> eventually (i guess) there will be a generator which takes country into
> account. For the moment, you just use the standard one. The
> 'digital code'
> will be the same anyway.
>
> Antoin.
>
>
>
> Antoin O Lachtnain
> antoin at eire.com
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