[cc-devel] P2P Content Store

Jon Phillips jon at rejon.org
Sun May 7 17:34:13 EDT 2006

On Sun, 2006-05-07 at 13:05 -0700, Scott Shawcroft wrote:
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> Bjorn,
> I would like to bring all types of artists together.  It would cool to
> have musicians, photographers, singers and filmmakers. etc.  I've seen
> the participatory culture foundation is doing.  I think its good.
> However, these do not aim to compete with illegal p2p services.  I
> want to program to feel/act like a p2p program.  No costs would be
> required of artists.  We would however make it possible to donate a
> percentage to the organization running the p2p.  We would have a
> limited website but most would occur through the software.  Finally, I
> do think people do not remix as much as they could.  Many people don't
> realize the possibilities to remix.  One thing to promote this is use
> annodexing to point to source files in a final edit.  So when people
> watch or listen to a mix and like a portion of it, they can go to the
> source and use it in their own mix.
> ~Scott

Scott, it is great that you made these mockups. My comments are mainly
concerned with how you will structure this project. History has not been
very kind to the kind of groupware you are proposing, and users seem to
not like the consolidation of all of their favorite apps together.

I would highly recommend for you to create a page on a wiki, such as our
CC wiki, and start fleshing out your ideas, posting your screenshots,
collecting notes about how what you are proposing is diff. from what
exists, etc. This will help you flesh these ideas out more.

The ideals you speak of are strong, but the plan seems to need more
flesh before the arguments take hold in my mind.

I look forward to where you take these ideas! 


> Bjorn Wijers wrote:
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> >> I'm glad you took a look.
> >
> > No problem.
> >
> >  There are two main purposes.  The first is
> >> to allow artists to network and collaborate.
> >
> > Question that directly pops up is what kind of artists do you want
> > to facilitate? Musicians? Video? Both? Others? I think this has
> > quite an impact on the possible collaborations, tools, methods etc.
> > BTW for musicians you can have a look at Ninjam http://www.ninjam.com/
> >
> >   The second is to allow
> >> legal distribution and payment for files.
> >
> > Cool. Also have a look at what these people
> > http://participatoryculture.org/ are doing for the distribution and
> > especially the ease of use. Another legal p2p system with some
> > interesting features is www.tribler.org (supported by the Dutch
> > government and the Delft University). I'm curious about the payment
> > aspect.
> >
> >  I am aiming to develop it
> >> so that an artist has no costs associated with digital distribution.
> >> I hope to build a system which reduces the costs of distribution so
> >> much so that it could be supported by donations.
> >
> > Interesting. Donations can range in the tens but also in the
> > millions. What is the maximum amount of costs involved for the
> > artist that you're aiming at?
> >
> >   The most logical way
> >> to do this is a P2P based network.
> >
> > Or a combination of website and p2p just for the distribution?
> >
> >  These purposes have led me to
> >> Jabber and Bittorrent.  All content will be tagged with appropriate
> >> licenses including CC licenses.  This way people can learn the basics
> >> of legal filesharing and remixing. 
> >
> >
> > Many people don't feel the
> >> creative power of CC licenses. 
> > As in: they don't use somebody elses work to build upon?
> >
> > Also, with OpenAPI's we'd also enable
> >> things such as collaborative editing and such.
> >
> > Open API's are always interesting :)
> >
> > Hope my thoughts and remarks somehow can help you,
> >
> > grtz
> > BjornW
> >
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