[cc-community] Progress on implementing Dated CC

Mitar mmitar at gmail.com
Mon Dec 16 21:01:01 EST 2013


Very interesting. You are taking the idea from open access movement in
scientific community, but in reality there is no such "liquid"
approach there. You have an fixed time embargo period and not some
price which when it would be reached, the paper would become open. So
for popular papers this would happen sooner.

This opens a new idea. Which is, if papers would become open sooner if
many people would read it, then libraries would have big influence
over which papers they buy. And if implemented correctly, they would
be buying those which their researchers want. So this mean that if
research community find some paper wanted, they would request it and
it would become open to whole world (also those who could not afford
initial payment) sooner. In this way it would minimize differences
between developed and developing world in access to scientific


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Eric Hellman <eric at hellman.net> wrote:
> Mitar,
> Your rant reminded me that I should probably report on my progress with
> "Dated CC".
> This was a proposal I made in a blog post this summer:
> http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2013/07/proposal-dated-creative-commons-license.html
> The consensus of lawyers I talked to was that a change in CC itself was not
> needed to implement such a thing.
> So we've gone and implemented a sort of crowd funding mechanism for ebooks
> that's based on Dated Creative Commons, which we now call the "ungluing
> date". We'll launch a beta in January (fingers crossed) as part of "A
> Bookstore for Books that Want to be Free". Every ebook we sell will get a
> "dated" CC license; the date gets closer with every sale.
> See http://blog.unglue.it/2013/08/06/a-new-kind-of-ungluing-campaign/
> We're focused on books; there's no reason others couldn't do the same thing
> for other media.
> The other thing we're working on is "thanks for ungluing" which will allow
> people to reward book authors and publishers that have already released
> under CC, please contact me if you'd like to participate.
> Eric
> Eric Hellman
> President, Gluejar.Inc.
> Founder, Unglue.it https://unglue.it/
> http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/
> twitter: @gluejar
> On Dec 16, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Mitar <mmitar at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Hi
> (Reposting here instead of cc-licenses for a broader discussion.)
> Now after release of 4.0 I can rant a bit about CC licenses. Maybe
> this has already been discussed in the past, sorry, but maybe it is
> time to be discussed again.
> I think we are all agree that CC licenses are a hack, a patch to the
> broken copyright system. But I do not think that the patch goes in the
> right direction.
> CC licenses provide a range of choices for the users. Users can decide
> to allow this or that, but the main issue of copyright they do not
> address: the length of the copyright before it enters the public
> domain. Isn't this the main issue we have about current copyright? Not
> that copyright exists and what it protects, but that the protection
> time is getting longer and longer. And CC licenses do not address this
> at all. They play with some small permissions, sharing, remixing, just
> toys. But not with the real thing: when does work enter public domain.
> So I would propose that for 5.0 CC licenses introduce something new: a
> time limit before work enters public domain. Currently there is only
> one such license: CC-0 which says that the work enters public domain
> immediately. Let's introduce CC-X, which would mean that work enters
> public domain after X years. So somebody could license CC-1, CC-5,
> CC-10, CC-50, whatever he or she wants. But the main point is that
> after those X years, there is no "oh, I want a few years more, my work
> is more successfully than I anticipated and I am rich now", you
> licensed it, it is public domain. Yes!
> This could also be mixed with other licenses, if you want. CC-BY-SA-5,
> means for 5 years it is CC-BY-SA, but then it goes into public domain,
> into CC-0. So every year, it gets one number less, countdown:
> CC-BY-SA-4, CC-BY-SA-3, CC-BY-SA-2, CC-BY-SA-1, CC-0. Happy new year!
> We have more CC works entering public domain. Isn't this the best
> present ever?
> And then we can open a discussion how long should the copyright
> protection be. Then we can have a real data, statistics, how many
> people decide for how long and how much this influence incentives and
> creativity and public domain reuse. Then we will be able to have
> arguments to change the copyright itself, not just be satisfied with
> hacks and patches.
> (There are of course more variations on the theme, but I think you got
> the main idea.)
> Mitar
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