[cc-community] NC/ND

Anthony osm at inbox.org
Wed Dec 14 18:03:05 EST 2011

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Joe Corneli <holtzermann17 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are NC/ND works contributing to a rich commons?

Today, or 120 years from now?

What constitutes the "commons"?  Has CC defined this?  By the standard
definition, only PD/CC0 would be part of the "commons".

Of course, even if you're talking about today, and even if you're
talking about the most narrow definition of "commons", sure NC/ND
works contribute...indirectly.

> For example, there are things like Kahn Academy,
> but Salman Kahn could have released everything on YouTube without the
> CC-By-NC-SA license, and would it have made a difference?

The license doesn't make a difference.  The works do.

> It seems to
> me that the CC-By-NC-SA license is a bit of an afterthought.  The
> technology (free videos) was the main idea.  Does the license matter
> at all in this case?

In the case of NC, I'd say no.  But I wouldn't lump the ND licenses
along with that.

As was pointed out above, the text of the GPL itself is effectively
CC-ND, though it predates CC and doesn't call itself that.

> Similarly I think we should take The Pirate Bay et al. seriously (even
> if RMS doesn't) and ask questions about extra-legal means of
> contributing to the commons.  Had Aaron Swartz pulled off what he was
> (allegedly) attempting to do with keepgrabbing.py, he might (arguably)
> have been doing quite a bit for the commons [1].

I don't think we should engage in theft in order to benefit the commons.

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