[b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring' (Karl, Jerry, Ratson)

Jerry Shepherd jshepherd53 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 15 17:19:55 EDT 2013


Hi Rolf,

Thanks for this information.  Very helpful.

Blessings,

Jerry

Jerry Shepherd
Taylor Seminary
Edmonton, Alberta
jshepherd53 at gmail.com



On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Rolf <rolf.furuli at sf-nett.no> wrote:

> Dear Ratson,
>
> In connection with my MA thesis I made a comparison of the Greek vowels
> used in the Hexapla and the Hebrew vowels in the MT. The result of a
> portion of the Hexapla is as follows:
>
> 192 sere: epsilon: 34, eta: 139, iota: 4, other:15.
>
> 472 hireq: iota: 258, epsilon: 107, epsilon-iota: 28, alfa 24, other: 45.
>
> 198 segol: epsilon: 102, alfa: 42, no vowel: 39.
>
> 466 qamets: alfa: 362, epsilon: 7, no vowel: 74.
>
> 369 patah: alfa: 212, epsilon: 86, iota: 5, no vowel: 31, other: 28
>
> 257 holem-qibbuts: omega: 217, omikron: 24, omikron-ypsilon: 5, other: 10.
>
> 157 shureq: omikron-ypsilon: 144, omikron: 2, omega: 3, other: 8.
>
> 206 shewa qui.: no vowel: 181, epsilon: 5, alfa: 7.
>
> 270 shewa mob.: no vowel: 184, epsilon: 33, alfa: 44, omikron: 5, eta: 3,
> iota: 1.
>
>
> We see that by and large there is a good correspondence. One important
> difference is that the WAW plus gemination in the WAYYIQTOLs are
> transliterated as omikron-ypsilon. So, there is no difference between
> WAYYIQTOL  and WEYIQTOL.
>
> In my view, the pointing of the Masoretes are very close to the vowels
> that were pronounced when the Hebrew text was recited by those who wrote
> the DSS. The only exception may be the use of shewa. A fine article that
> illuminates the issue is: James Barr, ""Vocalization and the Analysis of
> Hebrew among the Ancient Translators," Hebräische Wortforschung.
> Festschrift zum 80 Geburtstag von Walter Bsaumgartner, Supp Vetus
> Testamentum XVI, pp. 1-11. Also: E.Y. Kutcher, The language and the
> Linguistic background of the Isaiah Scroll." Studies in the Texts of the
> Desert of Judah, Vol 6, 1974.
>
> In view of the fact that the books of the Tanakh were written over a
> period of several hundred years, the text (word forms, grammar, syntax) is
> remarkably uniform. The timbre of vowels may be different in different
> places where a language is spoken at the same time, and may also change
> through time. But I am not aware of any evidence indicating that the words
> of the Hebrew language, say, in the 7th century BCE, had different vowels
> compared with the DSS and the MT.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Rolf Furuli
> Stavern
> Norway
>
>
> Mandag 15. Juli 2013 10:03 CEST skrev yahoo-arch at heplist.com:
>
> > Jerry asks:
> >  > With regard to the second column,
> >  > could you provide some estimate
> >  > as to how much of it is indisputably extant.
> >
> > Most of the dispute regarding the Secunda is whether Origen transcribed
> it himself, or whether Origen copied (or based it) on an older existing
> text (this, too, could be said of other columns). How much different
> Secunda pronunciation is from Tiberian seems to vary from one scholar to
> another, although various generalizations have been concluded by most of
> them (such as the lack of the effect of Philippi's Law present in
> MT/Tiberian Hebrew, and some general rules of what letters do and do-not
> geminate).
> >
> > I have wanted to make comparisons, myself, but other than very short
> transcripts, I have yet to find a full copy of the Secunda that I can
> examine for myself (at least, not in my price-range). Like most non-MT and
> non-G-NT texts, this is an area highly under-published (relatively
> speaking). Most of what I find are short extracts (which I would conclude
> as poorly representative unless I could compare it to the whole to say
> otherwise).
> > (I am also searching for other mss from other textual families. I have a
> copy of the Samaritan Pent. based on a few witnesses, but how accurate it
> is to the textual family, I'm not sure. I'm still searching for vocalized
> texts based on the Babylonian and Palestinian traditions, as well. I know
> how to read the niqqud for each of these latter-stated traditions, I just
> don't have complete texts to examine for myself. I really do not want to
> rely on various third-party scholastic examinations, alone, and would
> prefer to witness what they conclude first-hand. Call me a little-anal.)
> > I may have to splurge on my budget to getting better texts to work from.
> >
> > In lack of reporting first-hand examinations, I can only really report
> what is available in the various journals on the subject.
> >
> > --
> > Ratson Naharädama
> > Denver, CO
> >
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