[b-hebrew] Relationship of כרך, 'wrap around, surround', to כרר?

Isaac Fried if at math.bu.edu
Mon Jul 8 18:47:51 EDT 2013

1. KRK כרך is the root of תכריך TA-KRIYK, 'wrapping', as in  
Esther 8:15 (the "prefix" -TA is the personal pronoun ATAH for the  
thing itself.)

2. In my opinion the etymology you present is an evident fallacy.  
KARAK, 'wrap', does not "come from" KARKAR, 'dance, leap, move  
vigorously and rhythmically', as in 2Sam 6:16, and vise versa. Hebrew  
words "come from" a root, not from each other.

3. According to this etymology, כר הגמל KAR HA-GAMAL, 'pillow,  
saddle, sack', as in  Gen. 31:34, is the thing that hops, M-KARKER,  
on the camel's back; and the ארגז ARGAZ, 'box, chest', of 1Sam  
6:8, is the thing that is angrily, B-ROGEZ ברוגז rattling in the  

4. I think we should leave alone the "Akkadian". In any event, I  
don't even remotely believe that KABABU is 'to roast', (namely, to  
prepare shish-kebab), nor that KAMU is 'to burn', (namely, something  
between to QAM, 'stand', and XAM, 'hot'.)

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Jul 7, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Stewart Felker wrote:

> Klein, in his etymological dictionary of Hebrew, says that כרך,  
> 'wrap around, surround' is "properly a shortened form of base  
> כרר" ('to move back and forth, turn'). But if this is true, what  
> exactly is it shortened FROM? To the best of my understanding,  
> כרר is probably an extension of biradical כר...and so the  
> pilpel would be כרכר - for example וְדָוִד  
> מְכַרְכֵּר, "and David is dancing (whirling)" (there's  
> also Ugaritic krkr 'to twist, twiddle', Arabic karkara, 'he  
> repeated').
> Is this what he means?
> And this would be a pretty atypical process, right? But is there  
> any chance that there's somewhat of a similar case with Ugaritic  
> kbkb, כוכב, 'star' - cf. Akkadian kabābu 'to roast, burn'?  
> (Klein refers to an Akkadian ku'ū 'to roast', but the closest I've  
> found to this is a kawûm (II) (kamû?), 'to burn'.)
> Stewart Felker
> University of Memphis
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