[b-hebrew] The Name "Esau"

Isaac Fried if at math.bu.edu
Thu Aug 29 13:40:15 EDT 2013

1. It is true that there are photographs of Akkadian and Ugaritic  
cuneiform tablets online. What is written there I don't know; what  
other people say is written there I doubt.

2. Proto-Semitic is a legend.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Aug 29, 2013, at 6:34 AM, Stewart Felker wrote:

> Well, there's a sense in which I can't independently verify the  
> existence of the state of Idaho, as I've never stepped foot in it  
> (or even flown over it). But surely I can read books and look at  
> photographs of it - in the same way that you can find photographs  
> of Akkadian and Ugaritic cuneiform tablets online, and then find  
> the transliterated text, and look at syntax, verb forms, and  
> lexical material, and verify that they are attested languages.
> I'm curious: does your skepticism only apply to languages descended  
> from Proto-Semitic - or do you deny the existence of Hittite and  
> Sanskrit and Mycenaean Greek too?
> On Aug 29, 2013, at 4:34 AM, Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu> wrote:
>> No. The tentatively reconstructed languages are unacceptable  
>> because I have no way of independently verifying the veracity of  
>> what is being said about them.
>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 11:42 PM, Stewart Felker wrote:
>>> Question: are languages other than Hebrew (and...Aramaic?)  
>>> unacceptable to talk about because they're corruptions of the  
>>> primordial  heavenly tongue?
>>> SF
>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu> wrote:
>>> 1. Rebekah's family spoke some sort of Hebrew-Aramaic.
>>> 2. Their gods were the gods of the east, and they named their
>>> children after them. All names from that period are theophoric,
>>> including יצחק IYCXAQ, which I think is a deliberate corruption
>>> of איש-חק  I$-XAQ or איש-שחק I$-$AXAQ. Recall  
>>> יששכר which
>>> is certainly איש-שכר I$-SAKAR.
>>> 2. I will listen to your ideas under the condition that you refrain
>>> from mentioning any other language but Hebrew and Aramaic.
>>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:39 PM, JimStinehart at aol.com wrote:
>>>> how Rebekah would have viewed the name ($W.  Then the meaning  
>>>> and etymology of the name ($W will become clear
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