[b-hebrew] Haggai 2,8 + Ezra 3,10

ps2866 at bingo-ev.de ps2866 at bingo-ev.de
Fri Mar 30 08:13:14 EDT 2012

Dear Karl and George,
thank you for your answers ! George, it was not my intention to break the
rules of this list, so I'm sorry. I thought questions on word meanings in
different contexts were ok, but it obviously went to far in historical
issues. I've checked several commentaries befor posting my request, but
they gave no answer to my question.
Peter M. Streitenberger
> Peter,
> The issues you raise here are predominantly questions of historical
> construction with two different sources. It's not really a linguistic
> issue pertaining to the Hebrew. The Hebrew is quite straightforward,
> indicating the laying of foundations for the Jerusalem temple. The
> historical problem is determining when this occurred, and that is not
> straightforward.
> Since historical discussions are not really permitted in this forum, apart
> from clarifying linguistic issues, I will only give a brief thumb-sketch
> of the issues, but will not invite any further exploration. For that, I'd
> refer you to relevant secondary literature.
> Ezra portrays a foundation laying before the time of Darius, but Haggai
> portrays a foundation laying during the time of Darius. These can either
> be harmonised by concluding there were two foundation laying ceremonies,
> or else seen as independent sources, each with a different opinion on when
> exactly the foundation was laid.
> There are many more historiographical issues involved in these
> considerations, but B-Hebrew is not the place to explore them. We need to
> confine our discussion to the Hebrew.
> Director of Postgraduate Studies,
> Moore Theological College (moore.edu.au)
> Sydney, Australia
> From: <ps2866 at bingo-ev.de<mailto:ps2866 at bingo-ev.de>>
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:33:14 +0200
> To: B-Hebrew
> <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>>
> Subject: [b-hebrew] Haggai 2,8 + Ezra 3,10
> Dear Friends of B-Heb,
> by comparing Haggai and Ezra I found a problem that I can't solve on my
> own:
> In Haggai 2,18 it states: "from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S
> temple was laid" (NKJ)
> In Ezra 3,10 we read: "When the builders laid the foundation of the temple
> of the LORD" (NKJ)
> In both instances the writer uses the verb JaSaD. What is the difference
> between both occurences, as a foundation can't be laid twice, I guess, and
> there are some years between both passages.
> Is it better to understand the verb as "beginning to build" rather than
> laying the foundation?
> Thank you again for all help !
> Yours
> Peter M. Streitenberger, Germany
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