[b-hebrew] Subject in Jer 31,2 ?

ps2866 at bingo-ev.de ps2866 at bingo-ev.de
Fri Jul 13 20:15:30 EDT 2012


Dear Friends,

>[Steve Miller:] JHWH and HLK are common during the Exodus.
Ok, you're right. I should have based that on a computer search not on my
brain.

Thanks for all comments. Another (minor) point that could strenghten the
argument is that Jahwe as possible subject would be too far away. There is
too much in between. Israel is nearer, nothing is in between, and fits
contextually.
I'm surprised that only one out of about 40 German translations treats it
this way (old Zuercher Translation). I haven't checked the English ones.

Any further comments are welcome !
Yours
Peter M. Streitenberger





> Peter,
> Thanks for sharing. Comments below.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Steve Miller
> Detroit
> www.voiceInWilderness.info
> And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and
> remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek
> not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a
> whoring: That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy
> unto your God. (Num 15:39-40)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
>> bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of ps2866 at bingo-ev.de
>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:12 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Subject in Jer 31,2 ?
>>
>> Dear Karl,
>>
>> thank you for your response.
>>
>> - there is no object marker "et" in front of "Israel"(conf. Jerm 50,35),
>> so that
>> it is not necessarily the Object of "RG)" (to bring Israel to rest). To
>> regard
>> Isreal as Subject is possible.
>> - The Word HaLoKH (walking) is infinite. It's possible to see this verb
>> as
>> indicating circumstantial information on the people having found grace
>> mentioned already.
>> - HalaKH is better refered to the people of Israel, while they were
>> wandering
>> in the desert.
>
> [Steve Miller:] Yes, it does make more sense that way
>
>> - At the first glance I found no other reference that JHWH and HLK are
>> combined.
>
> [Steve Miller:] JHWH and HLK are common during the Exodus. Ex 13:21; Num
> 14:14; Deu 1:30; 20:4;23:14;31:6,8.
>
>> I'd suggest therefore: "when Isreal wandered in order to come to its
>> rest".
>
> [Steve Miller:] The 1st 1/2 of the verse has the subject, "the people
> remaining of the sword" last. So, it reads more poetic to me to have the
> subject be last in the 2nd 1/2 of the verse also.
>
> Thus says the Lord,
> They found grace in the wilderness, did the people remaining from the
> sword.
> Then he was journeying to find his rest, was Israel.
>
> The passage describes the Lord's viewing Israel with love. After almost
> the entire older generation were killed off in the wilderness, they found
> grace. They were then journeying with a purpose to come into their
> promised rest, which found grace in the Lord's eyes and also was a result
> of the Lord's grace.
>
>>
>> Thank you for further help !
>> Yours
>> Peter Streitenberger, Germany
>>
>> > Peter:
>> >
>> > Look at the context, this is quoting YHWH with a couple of
>> > interjections by Jeremiah at the beginning of the first two verses. At
>> > least that’s how I read it.
>> >
>> > Why would you prefer Israel as the subject?
>> >
>> > Karl W. Randolph.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:18 AM, <ps2866 at bingo-ev.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Hebrew-Friends,
>> >>
>> >> what is the subject of the last clause in Jerem 31,2:
>> >>
>> >> "HaLoKH LeHaRGi)o JiSRa(eL"
>> >>
>> >> Many German translation treat "Jahwe" as Subject. He will go to bring
>> >> Israel to its rest. But this rendering isn't clear to me. I'd rather
>> >> treat Israel as Subject: "when Israel walked to come to its rest".
>> >>
>> >> I'd be glad if you could help me !
>> >>
>> >> Yours
>> >> Peter M. Streitenberger, Germany
>
>
>




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