[b-hebrew] Different binyan, same meaning?

Pere Porta pporta7 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 5 14:22:27 EDT 2012

So, and putting aside this verse (Ecc 9:12), is it right to state that in a
general way there is NO difference between the Qal passive Participle and
the Niph'al Participle concerning their meanings?

Pere Porta

2012/7/5 K Randolph <kwrandolph at gmail.com>

> Pere:
> Both are passive participles. This is also poetry. In practice, there is
> no real difference between the two. The author could very well have chosen
> the different forms with essentially the same meaning to fit his meter of
> poetry.
> Karl W. Randolph.
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  In Ecc 9:12 we have a niph'al participle concerning fishes caught in the
>> net and we have a qal passive participle concerning birds caught in the
>> trap.
>> Namely we have "(she)neeHazym" and "(ha)aHuzot" respectively.
>> What might the author intend to tell the reader by using these two
>> different binyanim in two facts that are quite similar, quite parallel:
>> fishes are caught in a net...   birds are caught in a trap?  In both
>> someone put the net and the trap in action... and its resulting issue is
>> the same: the fish is caught and the bird is caught...
>> Is there in this verse a real different nuance of meaning between the two
>> binyanim?
>> Had Qohelet inverted the binyanim and written "(ha)aHuzym" for fishes and
>> "(she)neeHazot" for birds, would the sense of the verse have been the same
>> as that of the current text we find and read in our Hebrew bibles?
>> Is there a true difference in the meaning of the two sentences (the
>> current
>> one and the imagined one)?
>> --
>> Pere Porta
>> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)

Pere Porta

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