[b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 115, Issue 3

Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. nir at ccet.ufrn.br
Wed Jul 4 15:25:41 EDT 2012

pere, uri,

(i hope i am not duplicating, i had some problem with email, disconsider the
last message if it was sent)

i fully agree with uri that Ecc 9:12 uses variation as a tool in poetic
parallelism in using SHE- and HA-, as well as using passive vs active, and
there is no NEED to seek any additional nuances. but note that the parallelism
SHE-HA is not perfect, syntactically: normally, SHE- (as ASHER) is used before
verbs in qatal/yiqtol, while HA- is used before adjective, or for this matter,
verbs in qotel.

this is not so in Ecc 9:12: both verbs NEEXAZIM, AXUZOT are in qotel,
representing "generic/timeless" states. (this was a necessity as they are
compared with YUKASHYM, also qotel). thus, Ecc introduces a syntactic
innovation: SHE- before qotel (this use is very common also today).

this corroborates a general opinion (to which i subscribe) that Ecc 
is a very late book, either in its original form or in its edited form, 
and anyway (maybe most would agree) its hebrew style is atypical. this, in
particular, is reflected in both statistics and etymology of the use of 
SHE-, which is considered late and is most frequent in Ecc. 

the use of HA- for verbs in qotel seems to be old, as it appears in Gen
many times (e.g. 19:15, 21:6 etc).

nir cohen

>>> De: Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz at yahoo.com>
Para: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
Data: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 05:35:04 -0700 (PDT)
Assunto: [b-hebrew]  Different binyan, same meaning?
  Porta,  This is influenced by biblical poetry where synonymous parallelism
is a regular feature . Deuteronomy 31:1, 2 are just two examples of many. 
This literary device is found already in Canaanite poetry as encountered in

>>>    Therefore the two forms of )xz  in verse 12 are synonymous; as indeed
are the the different names for traps , metzodah and pax, in the same verse as
you mentioned.

  Uri Hurwitz


>>> In Ecc 9:12 we have a niph'al participle concerning fishes caught in the
net and we have a qal passive participle concerning birds caught in the
Namely we have "(she)neeHazym" and "(ha)aHuzot" respectively.

>>> What might the author intend to tell the reader by using these two
different binyanim in two facts that are quite similar, quite parallel:
fishes are caught in a net...   birds are caught in a trap?  In both
someone put the net and the trap in action... and its resulting issue is
the same: the fish is caught and the bird is caught...

>>> Is there in this verse a real different nuance of meaning between the two
Had Qohelet inverted the binyanim and written "(ha)aHuzym" for fishes and
"(she)neeHazot" for birds, would the sense of the verse have been the same
as that of the current text we find and read in our Hebrew bibles?

>>> Is there a true difference in the meaning of the two sentences (the current
one and the imagined one)?
Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)

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