[b-hebrew] mishnaic Hebrew + Deborah

K Randolph kwrandolph at gmail.com
Mon Nov 28 15:06:13 EST 2011


In this discussion I am mainly an observer pointing out observations made
by others. Did you read the links I provided in an earlier posting? They
pointed to evidence that the Hittite empire was first millennium BC, and
that other dates have been misunderstood. I have seen evidence from two
sources that hint that Mycenaean Greece was early first millennium BC with
the Trojan War being about 800 BC give or take a century. Archeology
clearly sets the Amarna Letters during the Divided Kingdom.

For me, as one who accepts Bible as accurate history, the academic dating
system based on Manetho and Kitchen is DOA because of its many
contradictions to Biblical records. Archeology indicates that the Exodus
occurred during the 13th dynasty, after which Egypt fell to invasion
“without a battle” because its economy was in shambles and its army at the
bottom of the Red Sea. Jericho fell shortly thereafter. Egypt was then
under the heel of its invaders for over 400 years. There is no way that
Shoshenq was the Shishaq mentioned in the Bible, don’t let the similarity
in transliterated names fool you, but Thutmosis III fits perfectly. I can
go on, but this should be enough to show that there are serious problems
with “critical scholarship” which is why David Rohl (who I think is wrong,
BTW) and other challengers to it have arisen.

As far as Ugaritic is concerned, because it is dated to the Ramasid
pharaohs, it is late. Has to be.

Either Biblical chronology is correct, or “serious scholarship” chronology
is correct, because they contradict both cannot be correct. Take your
choice. I choose Biblical chronology as being correct. At least Biblical
Chronology does not contradict archeology.

Karl W. Randolph.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:15 AM, James Spinti <jspinti at eisenbrauns.com>wrote:

> David Rohl is shunned because he is so clearly wrong. Serious scholarship
> will admit to that. Take a look at Assyrian Limmu lists and explain to me
> how you can compress 1000 years out of it…it can't be done. The current
> understanding of ancient chronology is tied to multiple strands--limmu
> lists, king lists, archaeological ties between sites, tablets in cuneiform
> from diverse locations, etc. You can't put Ugarit in the 1st millennium; it
> won't work. You can't put the Hittite empire there, either, to say nothing
> of Minoan Crete and Mycenaean Greece. And without them in the first
> millennium, you can't have Amarna there, either.
> Kitchen may be off here and there, but he is way closer to correct than
> any chronology that would have us believing that 1000 years can just up and
> decide to become 100 years…but we've been over this before in previous
> posts in previous years. Maybe some future archaeologist will see the
> redundant posts on B-Hebrew as evidence that the last 8 years are really
> just one year. Wouldn't that be interesting from a chronological point of
> view? :)
> James
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> On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:09 PM, K Randolph wrote:
> > George:
> >
> > Is David Rohl shunned by the academic community because he is wrong, or
> > because he shook up the academic orthodoxy which is also clearly wrong?
> >
> > I pointed to him not as an example of what is right, but as an example of
> > what happens to people who do not toe the line of academic orthodoxy. His
> > is not the only example, there are others in other fields, but fits this
> > context as he is a trained Egyptologist.
> >
> > There should be no serious opposition to the statement that the dates as
> > proposed by Kitchen and his followers are clearly wrong, off by
> centuries.
> > Serious scholarship will admit to that. Archeology points out that they
> are
> > faulty. But will the herd mentality mentioned by Dr. Thomas Gold allow
> > researchers the freedom to find out the truth? Your answer seems to say
> > “No!”
> >
> > Karl W. Randolph.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:05 AM, George Athas <George.Athas at moore.edu.au
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Karl, you don't seem to have digested Yigal's earlier post. Appealing to
> >> David Rohl is not going to go anywhere in serious scholarship. It's
> time to
> >> join the actual league of critical scholarship, mate.
> >>
> >>
> >> Director of Postgraduate Studies,
> >> Moore Theological College (moore.edu.au)
> >> Sydney, Australia
> >>

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