[b-hebrew] Someone knows?

Pere Porta pporta7 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 19 01:02:17 EDT 2011


It is a good thing to guess about what could be the vowel sounds in the
distant past of the Hebrew language.

But before inserting a yud whenever you think that there can be a
misunderstanding if you do not insert it.... it would be better to submit
the problem to the Academy so that they might consider the problem and, if
possible, provide a solution to it.

Nevertheless, there are many ambiguities in the hasar haniqud which can only
find a solution through the context.

And so,

1. BNW ---------- in us (Neh 5:8)
2. BNW ---------  his son (Gn 17:23)
3. BNW  --------- they built up (Rt 4:11)

It would be good wiping out the ambiguity in these cases (as well as in
other similar ones).... but... I suspect that this a hard task to do.

In cases where misunderstanding is easily possible, the Academy advises to
write the necessary points.
And so, in QNW, *his nest*, we'll write a dot under Q  -but we will NOT
insert a yod- if there is a risk of mistaking it for QNW, *they bought*.


Pere Porta

2011/4/18 Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu>

> Some thoughts on KEN - KIN-O, LEB - LIB-O, etc. :
> 1. The augmented form KIN-O, 'his nest', with an "I" sound, evokes the
> suspicion that it possibly preserves an older KIN noun form. Namely, that in
> the distant past Hebrew lacked the O and E sounds, and had to do with only
> the "basic" A, I, U sounds.
> 2. The fact that KIN-O has a dagesh in the letter N implies that the xireq
> sound was the accepted reading already at the time of the DAG$ANIYM, well
> before the time of the NAQDANIYM.
> 3. You are right that the "official" XASAR HANIYQUD spelling of KIN-O is
> without a yod, but I do insert it whenever I think it may lead to a
> misunderstanding.
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
> On Apr 18, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Pere Porta wrote:
> Isaac,
>> one must carefully distinguish between the niqud and the unniqud.
>> Noun אִמָּא, mum, is spelled )YMA) in the unniqud because nouns non
>> strictly Hebrew and all the borrowings from foreing languages...... follow
>> the rule of including a yod for the hireq.
>> And so,
>> אינטרנט, internet
>> The "strict" Hebrew nouns having vowel hireq (sound "i") take no yod
>> whenever the basic noun hasn't.
>> Thus, QIN.FH, her nest (Pr 27:8) takes no yod because Q"N (Is 16:2) lacks
>> it.
>> Regards from
>> Pere Porta

Pere Porta

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