[b-hebrew] The most difficult

Doug Belot dbelot at bigpond.net.au
Thu Jul 22 18:22:07 EDT 2010

I wonder in Lamentations do you consider the allegorical language, or role 
play character names for Israel , such as daughter of Zion , which is used 
so often by Jeremiah , do you consider the role play language of Hosea with 
the "husband and wife" as God and Israel , sons of God , the mother etc , 
then Ezek 16, and 23 which is all about rle playing Israel as a woman , 
indeed are you aware of this "hidden role play" story of Gods relationship 
with Israel.

doug belot

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K Randolph" <kwrandolph at gmail.com>
To: "Pere Porta" <pporta7 at gmail.com>
Cc: "B-Hebrew" <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The most difficult

> Pere:
> The first step in translating is understanding the text.
> Most difficult book to read? Off the top of my head, it probably is
> Lamentations. Except for a couple of verses, Proverbs is pretty easy. Job 
> is
> sort of middling difficult, but if one starts at the beginning of 
> chapters,
> most of the book follows the flow. Like you said, the history books are
> easy, except for the first ten chapters of Chronicles—that long list of
> names gets deadly. Ezekiel’s main difficulty lies not so much in the
> language he uses, but in the concepts he struggles to describe. Some 
> Psalms
> are difficult, some easy, but for the most part are easy to middling
> difficulty.
> All in all, I would say that that you are right that poetry is more
> difficult to read than prose, and that the simplest prose is found in the
> history books.
> Like I said before, I haven’t made a list of verses that I think are
> difficult to read, so I can’t give a list of individual verses.
> Of course I am reading without points, I may sing a different tune if I 
> had
> to justify some of the points that I presently conclude are wrong.
> Karl W. Randolph.
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you, Karl.
>> I think of a general difficulty.
>> And so to my sense it is more easy to translate the book of Ruth than to
>> translate some Psalms.
>> Maybe we could say that narrative texts are more easily translated than, 
>> so
>> to say, philosophic texts.
>> Gn 37, which tells us Joseph's selling (by his brothers) to men who went 
>> to
>> Egypt .... is more easy to translate than some fragments of Qohelet...
>> Some chapters of Exodus are more easily translated than, say, several
>> verses in the Proverbs... which are rather of philosophic nature...
>> And so on.
>> Then, maybe some chapters in Ezekiel would be between the most difficult 
>> to
>> translate?  Or perhaps some pieces of Lamentations?
>> Pere Porta
>> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)
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