[b-hebrew] Nooo! Don't go!

Garth Grenache garthgrenache at hotmail.com
Tue Jul 20 22:12:39 EDT 2010

Yitzhak and b-hebrew members and moderators!

Please resolve whatever is the source of the problem here,
lest we lose Yitzhak Sapir, whose input has been intelligent and valuable.

I do not know of whom he speaks, or the details,
but if there is a mocker amongst us,
let pressure be put on that one to change his approach or leave.

Garth Grenache,

> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:10:18 +0300
> From: Yitzhak Sapir <yitzhaksapir at gmail.com>
> To: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [b-hebrew] Goodbye
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> Dear All,
> A few days ago a list member identified viewpoints with which I agree
> as mythology.  This offensive remark and caricature of my viewpoints
> met no rebuke from the moderators even when he repeated it and
> even when he admitted it was deliberate.  Indeed, his message
> could have remained just as clear without the word "mythology" or
> even without a discussion of opposing viewpoints.  It even seems
> to me he went out of his way to discuss the opposing viewpoints
> simply so he could have a chance to label them "mythology."  The
> moderators did choose to respond when I objected.  According to the
> moderators' logic, by claiming he was creating a hostile environment
> when calling opposing viewpoints "mythology", I was guilty of an
> uncalled for personal attack.
> The hostile environment to "liberal" viewpoints is so strong that just
> over a week or so ago, I received an off-list response to the
> "Jerusalem" thread because as the author himself said, he did not
> want this same list member (and others) to divert the discussion
> (his message contained a discussion of controversial topics like
> standard linguistics and phonology).  I have been careful not to label
> any list members' viewpoints as myth, even in such a thread as
> "ANE Myth and Torah."  I feel such depictions are not only offensive
> to the people who hold them but they have the potential to inhibit
> and "censor" responses by those who feel their viewpoints are not
> welcome.
> I don't know why I am expected to take such depictions of my
> viewpoints quietly, or why the moderators feel that I'm not allowed
> to object and that objecting is a personal attack. I have given myself
> time to rethink it over, to consider the alternatives.  But I truly feel so
> unwelcome in this situation, so this is goodbye.
> In spite of it all, let us remember.
> ?? ?? ??? ??? ????, ?? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ???? ????, ?????? ???? ??
> "For it is this that our heart weeps, of these our eyes are dark, For
> the Mount of Zion that is desolate, Of the foxes that walk upon it."
> Yitzhak Sapir

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