[b-hebrew] 'Vocal shwa' had no true/phonemic quality at the time of LXX.

Garth Grenache garthgrenache at hotmail.com
Thu Jul 1 23:42:11 EDT 2010

Dear Yitzhak,

So is it true that the foundational text for your assertions about the value of shwa at the time of the LXX (completed 132BC) is a treatise written in the 10th century AD, over a thousand years later?

I think the time gap leaves some room for alternative explanations as to the original pronunciation and meaning and origin of this reduced vowel.

Kind regards,
Garth Grenache,


On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:07 AM, James Christian wrote:
> Hi Yitzhak,
> I had a quick skim read of your post (it was quite long). The bit that
> interested me the most was your reference to explicit explanations from the
> Masoretes themselves. Any chance you could give a more concrete reference? I
> would be interested in reading these explanations.

See דקדוקי הטעמים - http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=38509
On section 11 (p. 53 in the above, you can download the pdf), he writes about
the rules.  Most of the book is in hebrew but some parts like section 12 are in

The most clearest section in the above:
סדר השווא ... וכאשר תהיה בראש התיבה בלא געיה תצא בפתחה קטנה ... ואם תצטרף עם
געיה בראש התיבה בפתחה גדולה ... אבל אם תצטרף עם אחד מן ארבעה אותיות אחה"ע יהיה
דרכה על דרך ניקוד האות השני שבתיבה

Yitzhak Sapir
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