[b-hebrew] Was the MT for public consumption?

David P Donnelly davedonnelly1 at juno.com
Fri Dec 24 11:55:44 EST 2010

fred burlingame tensorpath at gmail.com 
Fri Dec 24 10:27:16 EST 2010 
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fred burlingame wrote:
in the message posted below

"facts vs. faith ...

we have complete:

a. a 5th century greek manuscript;

b. a 10th century hebrew manuscript; and

c. a 15th century aramaic manuscript,

of the same story.

the rest is faith.


fred burlingame

Dave writes,

I would add to the list:  
d. The dead Sea Scrolls, with the understanding [which I not sure is true
or false,]  that the Hebrew Consonants that occur in the Dead Sea Scrolls
are almost 100% identical to the Hebrew Consonants that are found in the
Extant Leningrad Codex of 1008-1010 A.D.  

Now fred burlingame raises the issue of "faith" to the list, and  I
assume he adds "faith" to the list as a Jewish believer in Old Testament
Scripture, while I add "faith" to my list as a Christian believer in the
Hebrew Leningrad Codex, who has been taught that "All Scripture is given
by inspiration of God".

It is at least possible that the faith issue is more difficult for me to
deal with than it is for Fred to deal with it..

I am deeply involved in the issue of what God's name is, while it is my
impression  that is not an issue that Jewish Believers are troubled with.

Although I have discovered in my study of Codex L. that 6 different
vocalizations of YHWH occur in Codex L.,  I think of those six variant
vocalizations of YHWH that occur in Codex L. as a puzzle to be dealt
with, rather than some insurmountable obstacle  to deal with.

I pause at this moment and ask the moderators of this Discussion Board if
I should continue on my present line of dialogue,  or should I just
completely withdraw from this particular thread.

Dave Donnelly

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM, David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 at

> K Randolph kwrandolph at gmail.com
> Fri Dec 24 08:06:48 EST 2010  wrote:
> "The Leningrad Codex is merely a preservation of a document that was
> written
> mostly during that period, with additional marks to aid the non-scholar
> in
> its reading."
> _______________________________________________________________
> Isn't the text of the Leningrad Codex believed to be an accurate
> representation of the pronunciation of  a
> much earlier  "Unpointed Hebrew Text" as it was preserved in  a Jewish
> Oral Tradition?
> Or did an earlier version of a Masoretic Text accomplish the
> of the pronunciation of the "Unpointed Hebrew Text"?
> It was my impression that every variant of YHWH found in Codex L. that
> now rendered as "Adonai", and that every variant of YHWH found in Codex
> L. that is now rendered as "Elohim",  was pointed as it is today,
> of  information found in a preserved oral tradition of  how the Jewish
> people pronounced  the "Unpointed Hebrew Text  of their day.
> Don't the consonants that occur in the Leningrad Codex almost match
> perfectly with those consonants found in the dead sea scrolls?
> Dave Donnelly
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