[b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam

fred burlingame tensorpath at gmail.com
Sun Dec 12 15:19:51 EST 2010

Hello Isaac:

Thanks for your thoughtful remarks. I am happy to accept "forever" as the
meaning of עד עולם .

And so, we arrive at ...

ושמטתה ובך מנחלתך אשר נתתי לך והעבדתיך את איביך בארץ אשר לא ידעת כי אש קדחתם
באפי עד עולם תוקד

jeremiah 17:4

and the relevant portions mean: "abandon the land and the anger burns
And indeed reconfirming the point, we have:

לשום ארצם לשמה שריקות עולם כי עובר עליה ישם ויניד בראשו
jeremiah 18:16

and the relevant portions mean: "to make the land hissing forever?"

The question becomes, would you retain the meaning of עד עולם and עולם here,
respectively, "forever?"

I look forward to hearing from you as to how you would render, how you
precisely understand the meaning of these two verses? And particularly in
respect of the two little words in question.



fred burlingame

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Isaac Fried <if at math.bu.edu> wrote:

> In Gen. 13:15 AD OLAM is 'forever', namely, with no time limit set ––– with
> no statute of limitation. The fact that someone builds a house, a shed, a
> driveway, a fence, or whatnot, on your land is another issue; it happens
> everyday everywhere.
> Read again Jeremiah chapter 32, and recall verse 15:
> כי כה אמר יהוה צבאות אלהי ישראל עוד יקנו בתים ושדות וכרמים בארץ הזאת
> and tell me if he was right, or what.
> Isaac Fried, Boston University

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